Marines: Go four before grunt??

[Gunz]

We get grunt training too bro especially when you are on the advance party team. You do a lot of recon, and the team I was on during Desert Storm got pinned down during one of our operations. It is even mentioned in a book I reviewed on here. Don't blame his ignorance on his MOS. By the way, there were more than eight of them. Initially eight came out of the trenches. Several minutes later approx. a company came out of the trenches. But my primary point being we too get put in some of the same circumstances as the infantry.

Not long after Jones's encounter, COL Weisman learned that a reconnaissance party from 4-3 FA had mistakenly moved well forward of his leading units. Weisman ordered LTC Lanny Smith to have them dig in and await relief. The reconnaissance party went to ground northeast of Jones'...s TF 3-66 AR, so the armor task force went looking for the lost artillerymen. As the task force approached the isolated Americans, enemy infantry foolishly took it under fire from fighting positions near the disoriented reconnaissance party. Jones directed his tanks and Bradleys to fight with only machine guns rather than cannons to reduce the danger of hitting TF 1-41 IN, which stood just beyond the enemy. TF 3-66 AR machine gun fire drove the enemy right into TF 1-41 IN with Hillman's troops capturing all eight of them. TF 3-66 AR recovered the members of the lost reconnaissance party, unharmed, around 10:30am.

FM 6-50 Chptr 2 Reconnaissance, Selection, and Occuption of a Position

Whoa, man, you are waaay overreacting to my comment. And I stand by what I wrote: He's an old Army cannon-cocker and he doesn't what he's talking about when it comes to Marines, period. Not a slam on you, dude, or your vast combat experience, not a slam on cannon-cockers. And I have no idea why you posted that link: to prove that arty guys are recon studs?

 

[Ooh-Rah]

Preemptive chill pill prescription for chronic misunderstandings.

Let's all agree that "cannon cockers" are hard and get grunt training too.

Further let's agree that Marines are a little wacky and usually don't take kindly to folks outside the Corps making suggestions "for the good of the Corps".

All that said, back on topic please.

 

[Gunz]

No, you're not my dad. I won't take a chill pill and you can't make me.

 

[Teufel]

Getting shot at or attending some combat training does not make someone an infantryman or give them the background or experience to recommend drastic cultural changes.

 

[Deleted member 2517]

Getting shot at or attending some combat training does not make someone an infantryman or give them the background or experience to recommend drastic cultural changes.

He can have 30+ years in the Army and I’d still tell him to eat a dick if he was speaking on infantry matters.

ETA- just saw he has a SS and a short tab... I’ll give him some more merit and rescind my comment about eating a dick... with that said I still think he’s off base.

 

[Deleted member 12579]

Getting shot at or attending some combat training does not make someone an infantryman or give them the background or experience to recommend drastic cultural changes.

He is/was a general for a reason. I'll leave it at that. But I agree he is wrong about this particular matter.

 

[Deleted member 12579]

Whoa, man, you are waaay overreacting to my comment. And I stand by what I wrote: He's an old Army cannon-cocker and he doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about, period. Not a slam on you, dude, or your combat history, not a slam on cannon-cockers. And I have no idea why you posted that link: to prove that arty guys are recon studs?

I provide facts and information not just pure emotion. Glad you put those two words in bold. On your question. I provided facts/info that I conducted some recon.

 

[Ooh-Rah]

@Eagle 92-94

All I asked was was for you to stop making the thread personal. If you want to debate @Teufel on officerdom, knock yourself out.

But this...Why?

I provide facts and information not just pure emotion. Glad you put those two words in bold.

So permit me to be more direct this time. Keep to the subject.

Do not take shots, veiled or overt, towards another member.

Carry on.

 

[Gunz]

I provide facts and information not just pure emotion. Glad you put those two words in bold. On your question. I provided facts/info that I conducted some recon.

 

[Teufel]

He is/was a general for a reason. I'll leave it at that. But I agree he is wrong about this particular matter.

I imagine it had something to do with his expertise in the artillery community and nothing to do with any imaginary understanding of how the infantry works. He is a highly decorated soldier and saw combat in Vietnam but that doesn’t make him an expert on infantry matters.

 

[AWP]

He can have 30+ years in the Army and I’d still tell him to eat a dick if he was speaking on infantry matters.

This needs more likes for using the phrase "eat a dick."

 

[Teufel]

I will also add that our military is designed to recruit tons of 18 year olds and throw them directly at our opponents in a major conflict. That will happen during our next major war and no one is going to wait four years before they hit an infantry squad. They’ll be lucky if they get four months if we are facing a peer or near peer adversary.

 

[Gunz]

I will also add that our military is designed to recruit tons of 18 year olds and throw them directly at our opponents in a major conflict. That will happen during our next major war and no one is going to wait four years before they hit an infantry squad. They’ll be lucky if they get four months if we are facing a peer or near peer adversary.

Absolutely, sir. When I joined, Marine infantry was the quickest ticket into combat. The Corps will cut weeks off SOI and recruit training for a major conflict. It works...it just means you get more OJT when you hit your unit and you die quicker if you don't learn fast.