Basically, a Glock with a RMR or something similar.
Pentagon Seeks New Sidearm
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Basically, a Glock with a RMR or something similar.
I've never shot someone with a pistol, but if I was going to train someone, or actually get the chance, I would want it to be accurate and functional.
I think Glock is the best option, but honestly question how knowledgeable M9 haters are when they hate on it for function and accuracy.
But what the hell do I know?
I think Glock is the best option, but honestly question how knowledgeable M9 haters are when they hate on it for function and accuracy.
But what the hell do I know?
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Glocks are great pistols, I don't like them personally, but they are great pistols.
M9's are also totally fine. I think all/most of the venom against them, comes from people using M9s that are old and worn out i.e. not functioning as they should be, which is not surprising for a pistol that's been in service since what, 1987?
I hear worse things about 1911's but they are still in service with tier one units.
For the record, though I like it, I'd never buy an M9. Personal preference.
Everyone has their individual tastes and experiences. Results may vary!
I agree, my issues with the M9 are weight and capacity. I owns 2 of them and standing bye for the M9A3, but I've spent a lot of time behind them.
I've had 3 personal M-9's. I have one in the nightstand.
Never had reliability problems. I wish they had gone with a frame mounted safety rather than putting the de-cocker on the slide.
Accurate (I have always shot expert with the M-9, and I am not a great shooter by any standard).
Poly pistol, with a RMR or laser of some sort is the only way to say it's more accurate as the current pistol is more accurate than most of the shooters toting it around.
Never had reliability problems. I wish they had gone with a frame mounted safety rather than putting the de-cocker on the slide.
Accurate (I have always shot expert with the M-9, and I am not a great shooter by any standard).
Poly pistol, with a RMR or laser of some sort is the only way to say it's more accurate as the current pistol is more accurate than most of the shooters toting it around.
Even as as early as the 80's I did not like the feel of the Beretta 92 series pistols... just me... I was proficient, but the shape of the grip and the angle of the grip were not comfortable to me, just like the angle of the Glock grip is not very comfortable to me.
Agree with the Glock feeling uncomfortable.
I couldn't stand the Beretta when I was in. I'm gonna stick with my Springfield.
policemedic
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The Beretta has problems aside from grip size and angle. I wouldn't use it for a boat anchor.
It'll be interesting to see how this goes.
It'll be interesting to see how this goes.
Yeah, never been a fan of the Beretta, and that's what I did my combat pistol course with... fatter/heavier/less accurate/harder to manipulate than any HK I've owned.
Being a grunt, I have never cared about what pistol we use since it was of limited use to me anyway (carried one in the sniper section, but never trained on it) but now that my civilian job is an armed position for the Department of Army, I'm really curious to see what we get and to see how it effects my opinion of the m9.
Reed
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traded my 1988 Italian Made Beretta M9 for a CZ P-07.... but damn I dropped it in a lake.... fit my hand better too.
Six-Two
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Seems to be the mark of every good pistol.
I totally agree. They've always felt a little "off" to me, but there's no denying that they're a rock-solid platform. That said, I have a SEAL friend who hated them until he re-contoured the grips a-la Lone Wolf Distributing's Timberwolf Frames, and now he and most of his guys love them. He also said some CAG guys he worked with carried 19's. I haven't fingered a re-contoured Glock, but I wouldn't really argue with CAG guys and Navy SEALs about... Well, anything, really.
There's a DIY version of this using AcraGlas that's pretty simple as well - obviously not a viable option for big army folks, but for your personal piece it's a fun project that removes one of the big negatives from the Glock platform. I've attached Brownell's Grip Reduction/Custom Beavertail tutorial here for any interested parties.
Then again, I probably won't have to worry about any of it.
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so.... $150+ for grip shit, eleventy billion hours with a soldering iron fucking your polymer frame's grip up doing "stippling"..... plus all the time and cost in parts you replace in a glock to make it shoot "good" (Disconnectors and all that other jazz I keep hearing about including aftermarket barrels and other crap).
or, just buy a FN or HK and fucking slay bodies out the gate, good to go.
Did I mention I've got easily over 200K Rounds thereabouts on stock everything minus the front sight post replaced to a tritium Big Dot on the Expert? What's worn? Some holster wear, and the chamber block on the barrel is effectively chromed on top due to repeated slide contact.
pew pew.
Edited in bold... Only disadvantage of the stock sights on the Tactical or Expert is that they're target sights, so not the hottest for low light use, although adequately functional with a taclight providing downrange illum. The Expert would have Trijicon adjustable sights, but Shooters in Columbus was a box of rocks about ordering them (ordered for 4 months, they came in and the store sold them out from underneath the standing order they had to even get the fuckers) so I went with what was available at the "late" English Range FBGA Rifle/Pistol club.
or, just buy a FN or HK and fucking slay bodies out the gate, good to go.
Did I mention I've got easily over 200K Rounds thereabouts on stock everything minus the front sight post replaced to a tritium Big Dot on the Expert? What's worn? Some holster wear, and the chamber block on the barrel is effectively chromed on top due to repeated slide contact.
pew pew.
Edited in bold... Only disadvantage of the stock sights on the Tactical or Expert is that they're target sights, so not the hottest for low light use, although adequately functional with a taclight providing downrange illum. The Expert would have Trijicon adjustable sights, but Shooters in Columbus was a box of rocks about ordering them (ordered for 4 months, they came in and the store sold them out from underneath the standing order they had to even get the fuckers) so I went with what was available at the "late" English Range FBGA Rifle/Pistol club.
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Six-Two
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As always @Ranger Psych, points well made (and very entertainingly so). Like I say, I'm not a Glock guy, but I think the target demo for those modifications are people who already have a Glock and wanna improve 'em (though SEAL friend said he just "sent it out to his guy", and I'm scarcely qualified to speculate on CAG guy's choices). Plus sometimes it's just pretty damn fun to futz around with your toys.
That said, you make a pretty damned compelling case for the HKs. What FN's do you like? I wanted to get the FN-S or an FNX (edge going to FNX on trigger reviews), but CA reared its draconian head and I went with an XD9. Pretty happy with it, but if I get stationed outside of CA when I get out of boot, I'll swap my residency to that and pick up some fun toys. Just hoping I don't wind up in New York. :|
FN-P45. 15+1 of .45 is glorious for someone like me. The only things holding me back from a flat out changeover is triggers on the FN's vs HK USP match triggers, even the LEM "match" one.... and cost. I'm looking at >$3,500 thereabouts for a 1 for 1 "exchange" of HK firearms and accessories for the same for the FN's.
Six-Two
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OOF. $3500 would buy a lot of ammo. You using it for USPA/Hobby, or professional use?
Primarily our CCW's. The Tactical was also my duty gun while doing bail work.
Six-Two
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Cool, thanks for the info, man. Always enjoy your arsenal insights.
The weapon that gets picked will have an external safety, so forget Glock unless they can modify it.
