Talk to your recruiter, but I'd say no.So, I have a civil protection order out against me until 2024. No criminal charges. Is that going to prevent a security clearance for 18x?
It'll probably prevent you from enlisting.So, I have a civil protection order out against me until 2024. No criminal charges. Is that going to prevent a security clearance for 18x?
So, I have a civil protection order out against me until 2024. No criminal charges. Is that going to prevent a security clearance for 18x?
Civil protection order? result of possible domestic violence? What is the protective order for?
I wasnt convicted of a crime. The lautenberg doesnt applyif the order is over a domestic, it probably means you run afoul of the Lautenberg Amendment, which would make it extremely difficult to do 18X type stuff.
Domestic Violence Offender Gun Ban - Wikipedia
You are being pretty fucking vague without offering much to work with, and you came to us for help.I wasnt convicted of a crime. The lautenberg doesnt apply
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Thanks, this is different than what my recruiter told me, which is why I came to you all for help. Just to clear, do you mean that, even after this order is dismissed by the Judge, my chances of enlisting are absolutely minuscule? Also, do you remember specifics of any of these cases you sited where multiple guys were kicked? I dont have any convictions, so Im curious to know if that matters. I appreciate your answers.Ok. So I spent some time thinking about this rather than giving you my previous response up top. In another life, I was a Squadron Human Resources Officer, or the S-1. So I'm going to put that hat on right now. I flagged multiple dudes and chaptered multiples dudes out of the Army with Civil protection orders against them. We had a few Soldiers that did fight hard and got those expunged. To say the Lautenberg amendment doesn't apply in the context of enlistment or current service would be incorrect.
If you had a civil protection order against you, you would be flagged under the Lautenburg Amendment and your CoC would proceed to administratively separate you from the Service. Your CoC could also seek UCMJ action against you.
So the likelihood of you even enlisting, let alone being allowed to touch a rifle is ABSOLUTELY minuscule.
For that I am sorry.
Now for my legal hat on. Get the order expunged, then go back to your recruiter.
Thanks, this is different than what my recruiter told me, which is why I came to you all for help. Just to clear, do you mean that, even after this order is dismissed by the Judge, my chances of enlisting are absolutely minuscule? Also, do you remember specifics of any of these cases you sited where multiple guys were kicked? I dont have any convictions, so Im curious to know if that matters. I appreciate your answers.
Heres the thing, you'll see in here that the lautenberg applies to restraining orders, however, if you read further its says only if there was a conviction. https://usacac.army.mil/sites/default/files/documents/sja/lautenberg.pdf
Alright, thanks very much.Ok, if it is expunged, your chances of enlisting go up. But you may still need a waiver. Dunno, I'm not a recruiter, nor have I been one in another life. I was Scout Platoon leader and then an S1 and then something else. I'm just explaining to you how this would go down in a FORSCOM unit.
IF you are in Active Service, and you have a dispute with someone that results in you having a Protection Order against you, you WILL be flagged under the Lautenberg Amendment. Your Chain of Command is then required to proceed with administrative separation as you are no longer allowed to handle a weapon. In fact, most of the time when you arrive on the duty day you are required to be supervised. If you are able to get the order expunged while you are in the process of being separated, your Chain of Command may choose to stop Separation and retain you.
Removing a Lautenberg Amendment Flag in my experience is damn near impossible. We had a guy that had one that his Chain of Command kept, he was No Shit the best SPC in the Squadron. How he got the Flag in the first place? An MP response to a domestic violence call at his home. He was not arrested and there were no charges. He and his wife were required to go to counseling. But getting that Flag removed required work from G-1 and Division Staff Judge Advocate.
Step 1, get it expunged.Thanks, this is different than what my recruiter told me, which is why I came to you all for help. Just to clear, do you mean that, even after this order is dismissed by the Judge, my chances of enlisting are absolutely minuscule? Also, do you remember specifics of any of these cases you sited where multiple guys were kicked? I dont have any convictions, so Im curious to know if that matters. I appreciate your answers.