Sailor sits during "Colors" & Intel Specialist loses her clearance over Anthem protests (page 4)

[Ooh-Rah]

While the NFL may look the other way on this, I have to believe (need to believe?) that this Sailor's command would not be quite as understanding?

There is a longer version on Facebook, but you get the idea.

 

[Red Flag 1]

Maybe she can share the selfie while she is being "talked to" about this. That's the selfie I want to see.

 

[CDG]

With a fist thrown up too boot. Classy girl.

 

[Marine0311]

Dishonorable Discharge.

 

[amlove21]

With a fist thrown up too boot. Classy girl.

Well, just remember as evidenced by the West Point pic- that doesn't mean black power, it's not divisional, it's just a sign of solidarity.

 

[amlove21]

Dishonorable Discharge.

Meh.

She's a dumb, young enlisted chick that needs mentorship and a harsh explanation of the difference between civilian and military expression when it comes to political movements. That's really about it.

I know we all get super sensitive about this, but dealing with the amount of military members in her demo I have at this point- she's being ignorant and impulsive. I can fix that.

 

[Marine0311]

Meh.

She's a dumb, young enlisted chick that needs mentorship and a harsh explanation of the difference between civilian and military expression when it comes to political movements. That's really about it.

I know we all get super sensitive about this, but dealing with the amount of military members in her demo I have at this point- she's being ignorant and impulsive. I can fix that.

I must disagree. The lack of leadership and discipline I see via social media leads me to believe otherwise. The number of incidents I have seen via social media by active duty members further leads me to believe that the punishments, or lack thereof, are not harsh enough.

 

[TLDR20]

I must disagree. The lack of leadership and discipline I see via social media leads me to believe otherwise. The number of incidents I have seen via social media by active duty members further leads me to believe that the punishments, or lack thereof, are not harsh enough.

You see via social media? What does that even mean?

 

[BloodStripe]

45/45 and a reduction in rank. While she is on restriction she can perform colors every day.

 

[Ooh-Rah]

Yeah, I'm with @Marine0311 on this one. The Military is not the civilian world where a simple "Don't do that again, and here's why" is suffice. At a minimum she should get NJP'd. She took a freeking video of herself, admitting that she knew she could get into trouble, and did it anyway, because she did not fear the consequences. I don't know that I'd go so far as a discharge, but if a Marine can get NJP'd and lose his Good Conduct Medal for getting caught drinking in the barracks, in his room, quietly...her dumbass can lose hers for overtly flaunting the rules and quoting TuPoc while she does it.

 

[Ooh-Rah]

You see via social media? What does that even mean?

Take a gander at Facebook or YouTube and do a few keyword searches. It is disgusting what young service people post today. The one that sticks out most fresh to me was the Marines who had the opportunity to visit Iwo Jima, and made a rap video about it. I heard from a guy who knows a guy, that these gentlemen may still be doing pushups as we speak.

It created quite a shitstorm and the command actually put out a statement.

Surprisingly the Video is no longer on Facebook (which is good) but here is a screenshot:

 

[TLDR20]

In our more than 1 million strong military people can find A few instances of shitty behavior and extrapolate that into problems with discipline? Ok.

 

[Muppet]

You know what. No comment. I will get bombarded by a few for my comments.

M.

 

[Raptor]

Take a gander at Facebook or YouTube and do a few keyword searches. It is disgusting what young service people post today. The one that sticks out most fresh to me was the Marines who had the opportunity to visit Iwo Jima, and made a rap video about it. I heard from a guy who knows a guy, that these gentlemen may still be doing pushups as we speak.

It created quite a shitstorm and the command actually put out a statement.

Surprisingly the Video is no longer on Facebook (which is good) but here is a screenshot:

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This also serves as a reminder of the "Don't take a video" rule.

 

[Gunz]

She may get a mild verbal reprimand. Given the sensitive racial atmosphere that's been hysterically exploited by BLM, I don't think anybody in the military who values his/her position would dare go any further than that.

 

[Marine0311]

Yeah, I'm with @Marine0311 on this one. The Military is not the civilian world where a simple "Don't do that again, and here's why" is suffice. At a minimum she should get NJP'd. She took a freeking video of herself, admitting that she knew she could get into trouble, and did it anyway, because she did not fear the consequences. I don't know that I'd go so far as a discharge, but if a Marine can get NJP'd and lose his Good Conduct Medal for getting caught drinking in the barracks, in his room, quietly...her dumbass can lose hers for overtly flaunting the rules and quoting TuPoc while she does it.

I agree however I still believe she should be kicked out. Lesson learned and will send a message to others.

In our more than 1 million strong military people can find a few instances of shitty behavior and extrapolate that into problems with discipline? Ok.

Yes they can. Civilians can and do paint the military with broad strokes. They see dumb shit like this and think "WTF". My civilian friends asked me about this incident this morning and the questions were along the lines of "Why did she do that?" "Will she get into trouble?" "isn't she supposed to stand?"

You see via social media? What does that even mean?

It means what I read or watch on social media. If I see something on Facebook for example. I think you know what I mean. Perhaps I should have said "on" social media.

 

[amlove21]

I must disagree. The lack of leadership and discipline I see via social media leads me to believe otherwise. The number of incidents I have seen via social media by active duty members further leads me to believe that the punishments, or lack thereof, are not harsh enough.

So, your problem is with the lack of accountability and leadership, which is fine.

But this singular act itself (not lumping it in with "everyone is doing this crap the problem is the whole system") isn't worth a dishonorable discharge, yeah?

This video makes the subject look like an asshole, not punishable via NJP and discharged.

 

[Marine0311]

So, your problem is with the lack of accountability and leadership, which is fine.

But this singular act itself (not lumping it in with "everyone is doing this crap the problem is the whole system") isn't worth a dishonorable discharge, yeah?

This video makes the subject look like an asshole, not punishable via NJP and discharged.

Yes partly. Leadership has not, in my opinion, dropped the hammer hard enough on stupid shit like this. I don't understand taping yourself doing something that could get you in trouble and putting it out there on social media (YouTube). I just don't get it.

No I disagree. The act is worth it because....I admit I am not sure how further to get my point across . You are on active duty, you represent the U.S, the U.S military and all that is right and good with the U.S, people see what you do, people expect those in the military to act a certain way, I don't see how you have a "right" to sit down. I do remember being required to stand so going further with that you are "required" to stand you do not have a choice. Either do it or face the consequences of your actions and I stand by what I say; Dishonorable Discharge and that will hopefully have a ripple effect sending the message from leadership with "If you do this then you will get booted out".

 

[amlove21]

No I disagree. The act is worth it because....I admit I am not sure how further to get my point across . You are on active duty, you represent the U.S, the U.S military and all that is right and good with the U.S, people see what you do, people expect those in the military to act a certain way, I don't see how you have a "right" to sit down. I do remember being required to stand so going further with that you are "required" to stand you do not have a choice. Either do it or face the consequences of your actions and I stand by what I say; Dishonorable Discharge and that will hopefully have a ripple effect sending the message from leadership with "If you do this then you will get booted out".

I mean, ok.

When it comes down to it, there are plenty of people serving because it's a job and it's very secure. Sure, I would like everyone to bleed American, display unwavering patriotism at all times, value the same things I value, etc. But it's just not the case. Some people think Reveille/Colors are just stupid interruptions on base in the morning.

There is no "uncrossable line" as far as perceived disrespect displayed towards our nation's songs or patriotic rituals- sure, we all agree you should respect them and feel some time of way when someone doesn't. I just think criminalizing it the way you describe is just not logical in theory or practice, and this issue is bigger than it needs to be 'cause this young sailor rustled your jimmies a bit.

 

[Marine0311]

I mean, ok.

When it comes down to it, there are plenty of people serving because it's a job and it's very secure. Sure, I would like everyone to bleed American, display unwavering patriotism at all times, value the same things I value, etc. But it's just not the case. Some people think Reveille/Colors are just stupid interruptions on base in the morning.

There is no "uncrossable line" as far as perceived disrespect displayed towards our nation's songs or patriotic rituals- sure, we all agree you should respect them and feel some time of way when someone doesn't. I just think criminalizing it the way you describe is just not logical in theory or practice, and this issue is bigger than it needs to be 'cause this young sailor rustled your jimmies a bit.

I agree with all your points. I can recall some Marines I served with ducking in a building to avoid Reveille/Colors because they thought standing there for 15 seconds was "stupid". My view is "too bad you will stand there".

I disagree. There can be a line, moreso in the context of one being an active duty (sailor) member. I will have to find the source to cite but I believe you and I can agree that one on active duty is required (ordered) to stand correct? Then you will stand as ordered to do so under military law. If she (or others on active duty) don't like the way things are ran you can stay in and change the system when you get to a level to write military orders or policy OR you can get out and move on with your life. That is one beauty of being a civilian, you have far more personal freedom than one would if one was on active duty.

I admit it is one reason I got out; I wanted my freedom to come and go as I pleased.