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Fuck the few and never let anyone censor your views (as long as they don't violate TOR). This isn't North Korea...yet.
Sailor sits during "Colors" & Intel Specialist loses her clearance over Anthem protests (page 4)
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Fuck the few and never let anyone censor your views (as long as they don't violate TOR). This isn't North Korea...yet.
Make and set an example. She ain't the only one doing it, she is just dumb enough to video it. Give her the boot and set the example, than boot the next 2 or 3 caught, and that shit will stop.
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Yeah, I know. Wanna know my view? This fuck is a hood rat savage that is acting the fool with the fist that does not represent BLM. Fuck her. Punish her. She knows how to act. She does not care. She would rather use the race card by pulling this bullshit, not standing in solidarity to some over paid cock face and holding her non BLM fist up.
In other news. There is an NFL player, a black man that wants to wear cleats made in honor of 9/11 but was told that he would be fined for doing so. This country is doomed. That's my view.
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Disagree because sometimes restraint is the better strategy. Especially when a topic gets you so angry that they words you type could be taken and twisted in a context that you did not intend. Harder to explain your case in text, vs. verbally.
Hints how fucked the command structure of the military has become. Cowering to the political bullshit of today? Naw, chapter this bitch out.
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Exactly. She should be #1 on the "right sizing" list!
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Agree but people holding views back is what is wrong, in order to not offend. Tired of seeing this.
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Restraint is for pussies.
I don't agree with what she did, and I believe she should be punished. Extra duty, LOC/LOR, etc. Kicking her out? That's so far over the top I'm a little surprised it's being offered as a plausible solution. I think there's a surplus of emotion in a lot of posts on this topic.
So if a white dude held up his fist for white pride and refused to stand at attention for the flag/national anthem because he believes in Nazi bullshit or whatever, we would just give him a LOR and some extra duty? I think not, we would drum his ass out so quick it ain't even funny. Why? Because someone like that will divide people within units and cause a negative atmosphere withint a unit. We don't tolerate open racism and or disrespect to our country or the symbolic nature of our flag and anthem.
Let's call this what it is, a black women refusing to show respect for the flag and nation she is supposed to serve, while clenching her fist as a sign of black power.
Furthermore, it really pisses me off that we're having to discuss this. Shouldn't be a question about it. You either conform and serve with honor, or you don't. When you don't you get chaptered out with a dishonorable on your 214.
Let's call this what it is, a black women refusing to show respect for the flag and nation she is supposed to serve, while clenching her fist as a sign of black power.
Furthermore, it really pisses me off that we're having to discuss this. Shouldn't be a question about it. You either conform and serve with honor, or you don't. When you don't you get chaptered out with a dishonorable on your 214.
I agree that kicking her out is the wrong punishment. Make the example and teach her the lesson at the same time. 45/45 on the Garrison Colors detail every day for Reveille and Taps. In between she can go help clean the gravestones and plant flags at the local National Cemetary. As a bonus, put her on the funeral detail for the post. Let her understand that we stand out of respect not only for the Nation, but also for our Brothers and Sisters that gave their lives in defense of our ideals.
As far as sensitivity, I'm pretty sure that somewhere in her direct chain of command or NCO support channel there is someone that has a similar background to hers and who would be more than happy to explain why what she did was wrong....at length. It's not discrimination if the person administering it is a part of the same group.
As far as sensitivity, I'm pretty sure that somewhere in her direct chain of command or NCO support channel there is someone that has a similar background to hers and who would be more than happy to explain why what she did was wrong....at length. It's not discrimination if the person administering it is a part of the same group.
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It is the videoing and posting on social media that is causing me to take a hard line on this. Had she done what she did, got caught, and then got the "don't do that shit again" lecture, fine. But she took it to video, and KNEW she was doing wrong.
Here is a longer version, listen to her after...she has no fear of consequences.
Here is a longer version, listen to her after...she has no fear of consequences.
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While I won't be the one dragging her to the cross with nails in hand, I have no objection to servicemembers being unceremoniously shown the door after intentionally broadcasting baseless disrespect. It's knowing right vs wrong and actively choosing "wrong". Bye.
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Well...now shit gets interesting. Daily Mail picked it up, which means it is now an international story.
Navy sailor sits for the national anthem in solidarity with Kaepernick
Navy sailor sits for the national anthem in solidarity with Kaepernick
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So you see literally the dumbest shit.
If I had a social media that only highlighted dumb shit cops did, or pilots, or lawyers or doctors, those would all be shitty profession by my book. Social media only shows us the worst/dumbest/funniest.
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No. I see a broad spectrum of good, bad and ugly.
Social media can show us the good side of the military. Like any of those videos showing graduation ceremonies from boot camp/RASP/etc
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"Like Tupac said..."
This is someone who looks to musical and sports entertainers for moral guidance, which is a huge red flag that is indicative of her headspace.
"...only god can judge me..."
Now we've stepped into self-delusion. This is a troubled person, IMO.
"I really don't care about nobody else's opinion."
Sure, sailor, but your command will care a lot that your opinion may be seen by Joe Public as representing that of the DoD and US government. Good luck with that.
This is someone who looks to musical and sports entertainers for moral guidance, which is a huge red flag that is indicative of her headspace.
"...only god can judge me..."
Now we've stepped into self-delusion. This is a troubled person, IMO.
"I really don't care about nobody else's opinion."
Sure, sailor, but your command will care a lot that your opinion may be seen by Joe Public as representing that of the DoD and US government. Good luck with that.
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Agreed, that is what most bothers me. My generations unhealthy obsession with posting their every breath on social media, especially so when they are doing "less than desirable things" they wouldn't want their parents seeing. Whether it's girls posting half naked pictures of themselves, or underage teens flaunting alchahol or other illegal substances on Instagram or whatever. The unhealthy obsession to receive gratification from strangers online is quite appalling to me, especially so when they are doing things that you shouldn't be providing evidence for. They have no grasp for the consequences of what they post.
If you boot her, she wins. She becomes a martyr for "the cause" and extends her 15 min. of fame. You'll see her with a Sociology degree and commenting on CNN within 3-5 years as the head of some "Veterans Against xxxxx" think tank/ activist group. You kick her out after this one very visible act and you set a dangerous precedent for others looking for their 15 min. or just a way out of the service. If the mil kicks her out the backlash would be tremendous.
Everyone knows that what she did was wrong. She may even know it in her heart, I don't know. Irrelevant. Extra duty, LOC, and attempt to retrain. Then punt her if she continues her behavior.
Everyone knows that what she did was wrong. She may even know it in her heart, I don't know. Irrelevant. Extra duty, LOC, and attempt to retrain. Then punt her if she continues her behavior.
