Sgt. Maj. of the Army all but says Army adopting MultiCam

[Florida173]

Seems the SMA mentioned that the Army will be going to Multicam type pattern soon.. It's about time. I think most of us that are still playing prefer the multicam over UCP. Although I'm doubting it will be as it was meant to be by Crye, I'm sure it will be a huge improvement over the current uniform. Now we just need to kill the damn ASUs, not that I've worn a dress uniform but maybe twice in the past 14 years...

On a separate note, Chandler also told troops that the new Army combat uniforms will likely be phased in starting eight to nine months from now. The uniform will feature different colors for different environments, but the pattern will be very similar to the mottled “multicam” currently used in Afghanistan under the designation “Operation Enduring Freedom Camouflage Pattern.”

http://blogs.militarytimes.com/gearscout/2013/09/22/sgt-maj-of-the-army-says-army-adopting-multicam/

 

[goon175]

Seems the SMA mentioned that the Army will be going to Multicam type pattern soon.. It's about time. I think most of us that are still playing prefer the multicam over UCP. Although I'm doubting it will be as it was meant to be by Crye, I'm sure it will be a huge improvement over the current uniform. Now we just need to kill the damn ASUs, not that I've worn a dress uniform but maybe twice in the past 14 years...



http://blogs.militarytimes.com/gearscout/2013/09/22/sgt-maj-of-the-army-says-army-adopting-multicam/

So basically he is saying the Army will rip off the Multicam pattern instead of paying for it?

 

[DA SWO]

Awesome, wonder if all that ACU colored gear will reduce the effectiveness.

 

[pardus]

Hmm, almost multicam, I'll take it.

Awesome, wonder if all that ACU colored gear will reduce the effectiveness.

They did say from the start that UCP would disappear completely. With a dedicated cam pattern for gear that would blend with all the new cam patterns being adopted.
I guess the Army just told the Senate to go fuck itself with it's all branches wearing the same uniform policy.

 

[Florida173]

So basically he is saying the Army will rip off the Multicam pattern instead of paying for it?

I'm wondering if they are going with the UCP-Delta instead..
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[reed11b]

I'm wondering if they are going with the UCP-Delta instead..
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Shut your mouth!
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[Diamondback 2/2]

I guess the Army just told the Senate to go fuck itself with it's all branches wearing the same uniform policy.

The Army will spend a few billion on this new kinda-sorta multi cam. Then proclaim that it would be too expensive to change to anything else the other branches come up with. Which will force all the other branches to adopt our pattern, allowing our Army to proclaim that we led the way in uniform development for all US armed forces. It will be a great bullet point on many officers OER/retirement resumes and the Army will have been victorious in putting the green weenie into the pooper of every service member for decades to come.

It's an Army thing...

 

[0699]

The Army will spend a few billion on this new kinda-sorta multi cam. Then proclaim that it would be too expensive to change to anything else the other branches come up with. Which will force all the other branches to adopt our pattern, allowing our Army to proclaim that we led the way in uniform development for all US armed forces. It will be a great bullet point on many officers OER/retirement resumes and the Army will have been victorious in putting the green weenie into the pooper of every service member for decades to come.

It's an Army thing...

I'll bet you $5 the Marines tell them "Fuck off. We ain't changing..."

 

[Diamondback 2/2]

I'll bet you $5 the Marines tell them "Fuck off. We ain't changing..."

I bet you the senate makes the Marine's wear pink flight suits for not taking Army hand-me-downs, like a good bastard-stepchild.

All kidding aside, I love you guys, and it absolutely will break my heart to see you Marine's wearing Army uniforms. But we all have to give a little, tight budgets, good of the nation, and all that. I wonder how that first Marine will respond with some Army personnel clerk NCO screams out "hey soldier, fix that head gear"..... bawhahaha

 

[x SF med]

Uniform needs to match environment and mission... there is no panacea for the clothing of a soldier (generally used) in the field. What works in the jungles doesn't always work in the higher elevation woodlands nor on irrigated field land nor above a tree line nor in a desert (high or sandy)... and none of them are great for a garrison environment... We used to modify our own uniforms for the environment if needed... spray paint and dye are great for that... and OG 107's had a great shape for movement and assault... Even the Gen 2 BDUs could be modified for color...

 

[Totentanz]

The Army will spend a few billion on this new kinda-sorta multi cam. Then proclaim that it would be too expensive to change to anything else the other branches come up with. Which will force all the other branches to adopt our pattern, allowing our Army to proclaim that we led the way in uniform development for all US armed forces. It will be a great bullet point on many officers OER/retirement resumes and the Army will have been victorious in putting the green weenie into the pooper of every service member for decades to come.

It's an Army thing...

I want to hate this post so badly... but it's disturbingly close to reality.:wall::wall::wall:

 

[reed11b]

Uniform needs to match environment and mission... there is no panacea for the clothing of a soldier (generally used) in the field. What works in the jungles doesn't always work in the higher elevation woodlands nor on irrigated field land nor above a tree line nor in a desert (high or sandy)... and none of them are great for a garrison environment... We used to modify our own uniforms for the environment if needed... spray paint and dye are great for that... and OG 107's had a great shape for movement and assault... Even the Gen 2 BDUs could be modified for color...

Now you just sound old and bitter...
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[x SF med]

Now you just sound old and bitter...
Reed

No, just stating realistic and cost effective options for diversifying uniforms for environment.... and using a uniform where the crotch doesn't self destruct after 10 min as a base....

 

[Diamondback 2/2]

I agree 100% with X SF med, my first 3 years in the Army was in a scout plt/ sniper section. We made modification to all of our uniform/equipment to work in or environment. Its always pissed me off that line companies wouldn't allow joe's to do the same (obviously with sound supervision).

Cutting, painting, and sewing burlap is too easy. My old scout BDUs use to cost about $150 a set after the Korean lady at the sewing place got done with them. Best uniform I have ever had/used.

 

[AWP]

Considering that the Army solicited bids for new camo if it were to "suddenly" develop something in-house:
1) What company in their right mind would do business with the Army, at least for proprietary designs.
2) That's a pretty big GFY to the US Senate. While not my favorite group of people that's a BS move on the Army's part.
3) This will devolve into a "my pattern vs. your pattern" fight with the other services....which is what everyone was trying to avoid in the first place.

I'll see how it shakes out and I truly hope I'm wrong, but this has EPIC FAIL written all over it.

always pissed me off that line companies wouldn't allow joe's to do the same (obviously with sound supervision).

Slow down, Cowboy, you want leaders to lead, think, and take responsibility for their actions?

When I was 19 I swore I wouldn't be one of those bitter old guys...

 

[reed11b]

Considering that the Army solicited bids for new camo if it were to "suddenly" develop something in-house:
1) What company in their right mind would do business with the Army, at least for proprietary designs.
2) That's a pretty big GFY to the US Senate. While not my favorite group of people that's a BS move on the Army's part.
3) This will devolve into a "my pattern vs. your pattern" fight with the other services....which is what everyone was trying to avoid in the first place.

I'll see how it shakes out and I truly hope I'm wrong, but this has EPIC FAIL written all over it.



Slow down, Cowboy, you want leaders to lead, think, and take responsibility for their actions?

When I was 19 I swore I wouldn't be one of those bitter old guys...

How do the Marines get a pass on this one? Didn't they start this BS with there "we are too special to share" MARPAT? ACU is horrendous so getting rid of it before the hammer comes down seems like SMART idea to me.
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[AWP]

How do the Marines get a pass on this one? Didn't they start this BS with there "we are to special to share" MARPAT? ACU is horrendous so getting rid of it before the hammer comes down seems like SMART idea to me.
Reed

In essence, the Army will set a precedent (if the story is true). The Senate says "You will..." and the Army thumbs its nose at them? I guess it has some wiggle room because of the language, but taking what is essentially a COTS solution, making some changes, and calling it "ours" is a step in the wrong direction.

The Marines will get a pass because A) the Army will do whatever it wants to and B) the pro-Marine lobbyists will point to that and use it as an "out." The Army could deflate their sails quite a bit if it doesn't "develop" (steal) a Multicam knockoff. Think of how it plays:

"Multicam is a fantastic pattern which has served us well in Afghanistan, however it isn't ideal. To that end, we've developed..."

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"We recognize the need for a common uniform pattern. With Multicam already in the Army inventory we've adopted that as our interim solution while we work with our fellow Branches..."

The Army will give the Marines a pass with this decision.

 

[goon175]

We should ask Gen. Moran, he did a great job with this the first time around....

 

[0699]

I bet you the senate makes the Marine's wear pink flight suits for not taking Army hand-me-downs, like a good bastard-stepchild.

All kidding aside, I love you guys, and it absolutely will break my heart to see you Marine's wearing Army uniforms. But we all have to give a little, tight budgets, good of the nation, and all that. I wonder how that first Marine will respond with some Army personnel clerk NCO screams out "hey soldier, fix that head gear"..... bawhahaha

I'll take that bet...

Seriously, I think you over-estimate the Army's pull and under-estimate the Corps' influence on politicians.

 

[DA SWO]

I'm wondering if they are going with the UCP-Delta instead..
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I hate to say this, but that pattern actually makes sense from a financial standpoint.

You could phase all the ACU crap out and get some return from the investment.