SOCS-C JACK
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We have had some individuals who 'sounded good' and received cred, based on 'knowledge' who turned out to be manure factories. Vetting has been stepped up here to reduce the amount of butt sniffing and chest thumping and even, to a degree the poser busting on this site...
You choose to remain unvetted, for anonymity, that is your choice, but you then also choose to have a cloud of doubt on some posts due to the lack of visible 'proof' that you are an authority.
There is no 'policy on unvetted members' on this site; there is a healthy skepticism of those unwilling or unable to be vetted - think of vetting as a badge of being a SME, and a diplomat of your Service and/or SOF unit. All it does is lend weight to your arguments in military/SOF specific threads.
To Whisper88: if you really want creds here, get vetted. Probably a lot easier than some shit that you did.
Think of it this way: Guys who came from 3rd Recon to 2nd Force still had to prove they were worthy.
I'm not a CSO. I left before that whole thing started.
Most of my peers and folks that I trained started Det 1 and have trained CSO's or are E8/E9's.
This whole SOC and SOCOM shit has been a boon and bane. The Corps and SOCOM have taken many things away from the Recon community.
To the OP: If I find a dude wearing the Jack AND if I find that they were not part of a team AND if I am in a foul mood, one/both of us will be bloody.
Most of the time, I'm too busy for such nonsense.
Troll: curious about these posers who passed the sniff test.
Think of it this way: Guys who came from 3rd Recon to 2nd Force still had to prove they were worthy.
I'm not a CSO. I left before that whole thing started.
Most of my peers and folks that I trained started Det 1 and have trained CSO's or are E8/E9's.
This whole SOC and SOCOM shit has been a boon and bane. The Corps and SOCOM have taken many things away from the Recon community.
To the OP: If I find a dude wearing the Jack AND if I find that they were not part of a team AND if I am in a foul mood, one/both of us will be bloody.
Most of the time, I'm too busy for such nonsense.
Troll: curious about these posers who passed the sniff test.
There are two or three that come to mind, just since I heave been here. Some people are just naturally good at stuff, and sometimes that stuff is lying about your credentials.
@whisper88 You're sort of missing the point here. I've seen the "I am who I am and I don't care if you believe me", and to some degree I get it.
BL- you've made a claim. If you want anonymity as you say, well, then maybe you shouldn't have let on that you're a CSO and made that claim on an open internet board. Until you provide some proof for your claim, I don't personally care how good you sound, but you won't make the claim and then back off.
How about this- get yourself vetted. 3 days sounds about right. After three days, I will do my level best to get you a vacation. You're either a liar or a dick for no reason at this point, and we don't tolerate either here. It's 1806Z on 15 November. Your clock goes *ding* on 18 November.
Thanks for the time. If you need help with the proces, please PM me. I'll offer whatever help I can.
Works for me. Thanks.
policemedic
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Me too.
Then he should get a military tag.
What experience are you drawing this summary from? SOCS-C has never been strictly a company asset; to every UDP a SOCS-C is augmented to each team and even 3rd is starting to take on the same format.
Your information either came from the misinformed or is just seriously outdated.
A typical (vast majority) 0372 commo's knowledge on communications is completely laughable and to not place an 8071 within a team (1st & 2nd) would result in absolute failure at every responsibility & MET associated with that billet.
There's plenty of jump qualed Comm guys, Intel's, even fucking dog handlers. I really can't find anything in your post that the Op or anyone reading this thread can really learn from.
As for the tattoo idea; lame as fuck IMHO
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Not trying to high jack the thread but how would a 0621 start the process the become a SOCS-C and can you give information to prepare for STC?
Search the forum - should be a thread or two.
If youre below Sergeant - put in for A&S and don't look back.
Otherwise; ask your monitor, do your screening & be above average in physical fitness. You'll do fine.
Mentally be prepared to not be fully educated in your trade; there is entirely too many systems and intangibles that you must master to teach in a six month course. You will experience heartaches, challenges, and a sense of WTF beyond anything you can imagine.
If you maintain the right attitude; by learning from your mistakes & taking intelligent initiative -you will not only become a master of your trade but one of the most valuable (and sometimes underated) assets of the MSOT/C.
It took me two deployments and four years of being a SOCS-C before I felt confident in the micro & macro of things. A very hard road but an experience I could never replace.
I am what I am because of this community; no other assignment in the Marine Corps could have given me that - for this I am grateful.
If youre below Sergeant - put in for A&S and don't look back.
Otherwise; ask your monitor, do your screening & be above average in physical fitness. You'll do fine.
Mentally be prepared to not be fully educated in your trade; there is entirely too many systems and intangibles that you must master to teach in a six month course. You will experience heartaches, challenges, and a sense of WTF beyond anything you can imagine.
If you maintain the right attitude; by learning from your mistakes & taking intelligent initiative -you will not only become a master of your trade but one of the most valuable (and sometimes underated) assets of the MSOT/C.
It took me two deployments and four years of being a SOCS-C before I felt confident in the micro & macro of things. A very hard road but an experience I could never replace.
I am what I am because of this community; no other assignment in the Marine Corps could have given me that - for this I am grateful.
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Thank you for the information im preparing to go on another deployment and I will probably be a Sgt by the time we get back.
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The experience I am drawing from is 3 deployments and counting on an MSOT.
You are half right. MSOTs during AFG rotations generally had a SOCS-C attached to their team.....from the company. The company gets chopped so many SOCS-Cs to use as they see fit....making them a company asset. With the realignment and AFG draw down, the requirements of an MSOT and MSOC are changing, therefore the companys use of their assets are changing as well.
I can assure you that I have not been misinformed nor is my knowledge outdated.
And again you are half right....a typical 0372s knowledge on communications barely extends to how to operate his 148.Yet there are 2 comm CSOs per team that attend the same courses that makes someone a SOCS-C and are perfectly able to handle all comm systems organic to an MSOT. Also if you think that any SOCS-C is a single point a failure for any MSOT your assessment of CSOs is laughable.
The tattoo is lame.
Anyways....who cares we are all Raiders now.....right?
No,
If you started a UDP tomorrow and told the team leadership they would not be assigned SOCS-X whatever, in this case communicators, they would absolutely flip shit. If they didn't, they would immediately do so following AARs from the first training phase.
While we both agree that the switch in focus on new AOs have affected team and company quotas; you are absolutely, positively, NOT going to replace the communicators. It will not happen. Since that post I have met two CSOs who genuinely maintain interest in their billets and are effective but not without help from an 06. Additionally, they are both tasked out the ass and would not be able to sustain that pace without an 06/8071.
During your three deployments you surely noticed that some of the assigned CSO communicators may have fallen in other billets, check that, absolutely fell in other billets. My last deployment had only one MNOC qualed guy and he was the element leader alongside another billet deemed critical beyond comm when there was an 06 on the team. The single point of failure holds true but is subjective to what you deem failure as well. When an MSOT can't complete any of their operations prep, get their plans to an approval authority, or even have a clue on a timeline because the MNOCer doesn't know how to load a config or properly setup his data node, that is a failure. Apply that same concept to any mission prep or even just getting the fucking vehicles ready for example. A rollover in keymat or getting issued new ones have left CSOs clueless. Your statement, not that I took it personally, claims that thousands of man hours conducted by an 06 can be thrown onto another CSOs back who has probably all but completely forgotten his former training. Thats assuming that there are MNOC qualed guys on the team, there's a few MSOTs in two of the companys I've worked under already that still don't have any.
The rectifiable situation would be to hold CSO communicators accountable for their operations knowledge and intensity on communications. But at what point are we going to focus a young or sometimes a seasoned CSO into comm when there are perfectly qualified 8071s to fill that piece and, hopefully, fill additional voids not typically foreseen aka intangibles? The cost/reward at the initial scale is balanced, but not over the long term. A major talking point, while cliche, is that MSOCs come with their own enablers. Millions in training dollars made it that way, do not waste that shit by placing everyone at the company level and making a CSO tasking even more difficult in a now undermanned, under promoted community.
No we are not all raiders, but you knew that.
If you started a UDP tomorrow and told the team leadership they would not be assigned SOCS-X whatever, in this case communicators, they would absolutely flip shit. If they didn't, they would immediately do so following AARs from the first training phase.
While we both agree that the switch in focus on new AOs have affected team and company quotas; you are absolutely, positively, NOT going to replace the communicators. It will not happen. Since that post I have met two CSOs who genuinely maintain interest in their billets and are effective but not without help from an 06. Additionally, they are both tasked out the ass and would not be able to sustain that pace without an 06/8071.
During your three deployments you surely noticed that some of the assigned CSO communicators may have fallen in other billets, check that, absolutely fell in other billets. My last deployment had only one MNOC qualed guy and he was the element leader alongside another billet deemed critical beyond comm when there was an 06 on the team. The single point of failure holds true but is subjective to what you deem failure as well. When an MSOT can't complete any of their operations prep, get their plans to an approval authority, or even have a clue on a timeline because the MNOCer doesn't know how to load a config or properly setup his data node, that is a failure. Apply that same concept to any mission prep or even just getting the fucking vehicles ready for example. A rollover in keymat or getting issued new ones have left CSOs clueless. Your statement, not that I took it personally, claims that thousands of man hours conducted by an 06 can be thrown onto another CSOs back who has probably all but completely forgotten his former training. Thats assuming that there are MNOC qualed guys on the team, there's a few MSOTs in two of the companys I've worked under already that still don't have any.
The rectifiable situation would be to hold CSO communicators accountable for their operations knowledge and intensity on communications. But at what point are we going to focus a young or sometimes a seasoned CSO into comm when there are perfectly qualified 8071s to fill that piece and, hopefully, fill additional voids not typically foreseen aka intangibles? The cost/reward at the initial scale is balanced, but not over the long term. A major talking point, while cliche, is that MSOCs come with their own enablers. Millions in training dollars made it that way, do not waste that shit by placing everyone at the company level and making a CSO tasking even more difficult in a now undermanned, under promoted community.
No we are not all raiders, but you knew that.
Which is a command failure. If it is an issued piece of organic internal Team equipment and the users can't operate it; you are unable to shoot, move and communicate - therefore the entire team dies.
This thread is jacked up.
Good debate about the Comm support guys, though.
Good debate about the Comm support guys, though.
Is this accurate? I spoke with a friend of mine who is the CO for 1st MSOB and he told me that he considers all members of his battalion Raiders. My understanding is that this is not the case at the regiment or 2nd/3rd but I haven't spoken with anyone over there.
Correct.
If you speak to 2nd MSOB's commander, he has openly made similar statements; if you discuss this privately with senior CSOs both officer and enlisted there will be a firm negative across the board.
The mentality isn't that of vanity but that "Raider" is a title, earned only by those who have been selected and qualified. It is not a catch all nor does it extend beyond the 0372/70 MOS.
If you speak to 2nd MSOB's commander, he has openly made similar statements; if you discuss this privately with senior CSOs both officer and enlisted there will be a firm negative across the board.
The mentality isn't that of vanity but that "Raider" is a title, earned only by those who have been selected and qualified. It is not a catch all nor does it extend beyond the 0372/70 MOS.
Here is the question, do you become a Raider when you pass ITC now or are you still graduate a CSO?
