Space Force

[amlove21]

I was at an unnamed AFB, working with some folks recently, in CONUS. I was told that the drone pilots operate from there, and get deployment pay for conducting operations. In CONUS, flying drones, really! I was blown away, straight comedy. And these guys are considered "deployed"...no shit! They get the ribbons, awards and the whole 9 yards. Hilarious

I have a long, long history of poo poo’ing those drone pilots (sometimes right to their faces) about the same issues.

But, you know- they’re slaughtering America’s enemies day in/day out AND get to go home to their families.

I mean, I can’t be that mad at it. In a stict Machiavellian sense, I guess I can temper my need to kick sand in those nerd’s faces and shit on their medals if they can show me a body count higher than 70% of any active ODA or SEAL DA team in theater right now.

Guess it’s just perspective, you know?

 

[AWP]

But just think of the black budget for cyber under the guise of "space." C'mon man. You're better than this. You know how this game is played.

Cyber could put its budget in plain sight, but with terms no one will understand.

For a number of years now, work has been proceeding in order to bring perfection to the crudely conceived idea of a transmission that would not only supply inverse reactive current for use in unilateral phase detractors, but would also be capable of automatically synchronizing cardinal grammeters. Such an instrument is the turbo encabulator.

 

[Dame]

Cyber could put its budget in plain sight, but with terms no one will understand.

For a number of years now, work has been proceeding in order to bring perfection to the crudely conceived idea of a transmission that would not only supply inverse reactive current for use in unilateral phase detractors, but would also be capable of automatically synchronizing cardinal grammeters. Such an instrument is the turbo encabulator.

No no no no. Congress will just ask those pesky questions. Black ops matter. Remember?

 

[amlove21]

In all seriousness....

Good initiative, poor judgement, excellent memes.

It’s almost like this guy had zero idea about national defense or like, how the government works and he’s just shooting from the hip using an ill defined and somewhat unverifiable and sketchy business past to guide his decisions!! Lol!

 

[Dame]

I was at an unnamed AFB, working with some folks recently, in CONUS. I was told that the drone pilots operate from there, and get deployment pay for conducting operations. In CONUS, flying drones, really! I was blown away, straight comedy. And these guys are considered "deployed"...no shit! They get the ribbons, awards and the whole 9 yards. Hilarious

Dude, say hi next time. LOL

 

[amlove21]

Dude, say hi next time. LOL

RIGHT?!? Come on man. Inconsiderate.

 

[Mad boomer]

Hello everyone! :)

 

[Mad boomer]

 

[DA SWO]

I don't see a need for a Cyber service, we are working cyber (slowly) but a dedicated cyber service would be slower then the current system, besides SecDef gates said we don't need no cyber commands, remember.

 

[Marauder06]

I have a long, long history of poo poo’ing those drone pilots (sometimes right to their faces) about the same issues.

But, you know- they’re slaughtering America’s enemies day in/day out AND get to go home to their families.

I mean, I can’t be that mad at it. In a stict Machiavellian sense, I guess I can temper my need to kick sand in those nerd’s faces and shit on their medals if they can show me a body count higher than 70% of any active ODA or SEAL DA team in theater right now.

Guess it’s just perspective, you know?

My problem has always been twofold: the insistence that they are "just as imperiled" as pilots flying missions in person downrange, and the "poor me, respect my PTSD" that seems almost automatic with them at this point.

I'd fly drone missions from my home laptop with my daughter in my lap if they would let me, and not lose any sleep about it.

 

[AWP]

I don't see a need for a Cyber service, we are working cyber (slowly) but a dedicated cyber service would be slower then the current system, besides SecDef gates said we don't need no cyber commands, remember.

I disagree if only that I've seen how two branches work "together" and it is painful at worse and disasterous at best. We can all say that they will learn to work out the bugs, but we're almost 17 years into the GWOT and our forces, compelled by US laws, STILL can't operate together. A single entity could better harness our talent because it would be beholden to that entity, not to services with their own agendas and bias.

 

[R.Caerbannog]

I disagree if only that I've seen how two branches work "together" and it is painful at worse and disasterous at best. We can all say that they will learn to work out the bugs, but we're almost 17 years into the GWOT and our forces, compelled by US laws, STILL can't operate together. A single entity could better harness our talent because it would be beholden to that entity, not to services with their own agendas and bias.

Is interservice rivalry the reason we don't have cyberwarfare task forces like Israel and China? Is cyber not being taken seriously by the services?

Add On: I hear crazy reports about Israels 8200 or China's 61398. I just don't see how we can't do the same or more. I mean, I thought we had the best computer science engineers in the world, how are we so behind the 8-ball on this?

 

[AWP]

Is interservice rivalry the reason we don't have cyberwarfare task forces like Israel and China? Is cyber not being taken seriously by the services?

I honestly have no idea. My suspicion is that each service wants some of that sweet, sweet cyber funding. Couple that with running their own networks and they can make a case for their own squad.

With that said, DISA runs the show, but the NSA and others have a say in cybersecurity. Regardless, the different branches have flat-out gone against DISA on some things and DISA's the one allegedly calling the shots. Some of the opposition makes sense, some doesn't, but each branch has its own standard for configuration, incident response, security, etc. This is all before we go into say the Army working with the Air Force on network security wherein the Army has one standard and the AF has another. It is roughly analogous to a fighter pilot telling a bomber pilot how to start, takeoff, and land his plane. Airplanes aren't the same and neither are networks.

This is all from a defense/ administrative side, so I can only imagine how a more... "national level" program runs.
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ADMIN HAT: We're derailing the thread and sick memes. We have one or more cyber threads elsewhere.

 

[R.Caerbannog]

I honestly have no idea. My suspicion is that each service wants some of that sweet, sweet cyber funding. Couple that with running their own networks and they can make a case for their own squad.

With that said, DISA runs the show, but the NSA and others have a say in cybersecurity. Regardless, the different branches have flat-out gone against DISA on some things and DISA's the one allegedly calling the shots. Some of the opposition makes sense, some doesn't, but each branch has its own standard for configuration, incident response, security, etc. This is all before we go into say the Army working with the Air Force on network security wherein the Army has one standard and the AF has another. It is roughly analogous to a fighter pilot telling a bomber pilot how to start, takeoff, and land his plane. Airplanes aren't the same and neither are networks.

This is all from a defense/ administrative side, so I can only imagine how a more... "national level" program runs.
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ADMIN HAT: We're derailing the thread and sick memes. We have one or more cyber threads elsewhere.

Sorry, not trying to derail a thread. Was trying to find out why cyber merits it's own branch, vs a branch dedicated to space. From what I'm hearing we have cyber assets, but apparently we suck at using them. No offense to anyone... but cyber being 2-5 years behind the power curve, with all the money and resources thrown at it, is just sad.

My main take away, is that cyber is a short term problem that can be fixed. Creating a dedicated Space Branch is going to be a mammoth undertaking that will take years and countless man hours to complete. Comparing the two as equal just seems disingenuous. Memes and sci-fi references aside, having a branch of the DOD dedicated to force projection around earth's orbit is going to pay dividends in our future.

Considering technological innovation has been historically tied to conflict, it's pretty far sighted for the President to get the gears rolling on a Space Branch. Granted, the DOD needs to not get it's finances in order for something as monumental as a Space Branch to work.

 

[Centermass]

Help us Obi-Trump KeNobi....you're our only hope.......

 

[Teufel]

I honestly have no idea. My suspicion is that each service wants some of that sweet, sweet cyber funding. Couple that with running their own networks and they can make a case for their own squad.

With that said, DISA runs the show, but the NSA and others have a say in cybersecurity. Regardless, the different branches have flat-out gone against DISA on some things and DISA's the one allegedly calling the shots. Some of the opposition makes sense, some doesn't, but each branch has its own standard for configuration, incident response, security, etc. This is all before we go into say the Army working with the Air Force on network security wherein the Army has one standard and the AF has another. It is roughly analogous to a fighter pilot telling a bomber pilot how to start, takeoff, and land his plane. Airplanes aren't the same and neither are networks.

This is all from a defense/ administrative side, so I can only imagine how a more... "national level" program runs.
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ADMIN HAT: We're derailing the thread and sick memes. We have one or more cyber threads elsewhere.

Cyber is very joint at this point. USCYBERCOM will look and function like USSOCOM in a few years; the command will exercise full control of all cyber forces and perform title 10 service like functions.

 

[Teufel]

 

[Deleted member 2517]

Pretty sure this is just a way to get fat people in the DOD. No need to worry about BMI in zero gravity. I can see the slogan now- “in space, no one can hear your tape test”

 

[RackMaster]

 

[Ooh-Rah]