Terror at Nairobi Mall Leaves at Least 30 Dead

I saw this lady on the news this morning. One of the lucky ones indeed. When she mentioned her rescuers it got my attention. It also made me wonder what type of security was in place at that mall vs what we have in most malls here. As you point out @pardus Im surprised this has not occured here yet. :thumbsdown:
http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/...an-survivor-recounts-kenyan-siege-horror?lite
The pix at the end of the link are worth a look. Full marks to the woman in the air duct. Be good to see the debrief.
 

It would seem an Englishman and an Irishman joined forces inside the mall... It sounds like the start of a bad joke.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-new...ied-shoppers-trapped-in-nairobi-29608137.html


A FORMER Irish Army ranger helped save hundreds of terrified shoppers who were trapped inside the Westgate mall as it came under terrorist attack at the weekend.

The hero, who does not want his identity to be revealed, was part of a group of four who fought off some of the al Qa'ida linked attackers to rescue the terrified shoppers.

A close friend revealed last night that the ex-soldier was about to leave the mall when the attack began and he ran back inside with a former British soldier.

They were provided with guns by two Asian men and the four ran into an underground car park where they found over 200 shoppers and staff hiding behind parked trucks.

They brought the group up a ramp onto a street and then returned to the mall where they found another 100 people.

The men also helped to bring them out of the mall.

But when the two ex-soldiers tried to gain access to the third floor, where some colleagues were based, they came under fire from the roof.

HIDING

They returned fire and moved into a restaurant where others were in hiding.

After a further exchange of gunfire, they found another large group of shoppers and engaged with the gunmen again as they brought them to safety.

The close friend told the Irish Independent last night: "They left no one behind.

"In escorting those people from the premises they took more fire from the upper floor before escaping.

"This man then spent three hours using his paramedical training to help the injured, including people who had been shot or hit by hand grenade shrapnel, and then turned restaurant tables into temporary stretchers to shuttle them to safety.

"His skills saved the lives of many. Eye witness accounts say he did an extraordinary job", the friend added.

The former soldier spent several years in the Army Ranger Wing.

He is from the Midlands and is currently working as a consultant with an international company based in Africa.

He had been in Nairobi on business and was making a social visit to the mall when the shooting started.

His friend said he slipped out of the mall afterwards in blood-soaked jeans and t-shirt and "stayed out of the limelight, despite tweets and appeals on Facebook from people, who wanted to thank him for his efforts".

By Tom Brady Security Editor

Irish Independent
 
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There is no security in malls.

ETA: But there are often signs prohibiting the carriage of firearms, so it's all good.

Ehh, that's arguable. Malls in AK, one had taser/glock and plate carrier wearing security roaming in teams, other major mall had multiple uniformed unarmed security, 3rd big mall had 3 armed guards 2 patrolling one stationary. Strangely enough, the armed super-security was at the mall that had a substation in it, but they also had a significant office complex as part of the mall system (7 story building on one end, 2 story mall complex as first 2 stories of office building)

Not arguing that the unarmed security would do dick all obviously. The malls also were not GFZ's either, although IIRC JC Penny and a couple other big stores were... guess where we never shopped.
 
Absolutely disgusting. I hope the Kenyans execute these scum ASAP.

The following day, the soldiers were ordered to adopt a 'shoot to kill' policy and launched their final attack on the terror group on the roof of the mall at 5pm.

The mall was retaken about half an hour later.

Why the fuck did they not have a shoot to kill policy immediately? A lot of people would have been spared being tortured to death.
 
Ehh, that's arguable. Malls in AK, one had taser/glock and plate carrier wearing security roaming in teams, other major mall had multiple uniformed unarmed security, 3rd big mall had 3 armed guards 2 patrolling one stationary. Strangely enough, the armed super-security was at the mall that had a substation in it, but they also had a significant office complex as part of the mall system (7 story building on one end, 2 story mall complex as first 2 stories of office building)

Not arguing that the unarmed security would do dick all obviously. The malls also were not GFZ's either, although IIRC JC Penny and a couple other big stores were... guess where we never shopped.
That changed. By the time I left in '10 no one had armed security. Apparently the liability costs outweigh the insurance savings.
Reed
 
Another amazing story of rescue. I saw this picture in the news over and over this past week. What an amazing man.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlin...-harrowing-story-of-rescues-in-mall-massacre/

The man was Abdul Haji, a 39-year-old real estate executive who rushed to the mall as the attack got underway. He managed to evacuate scores of people to safety, including that young American girl, Portia Walker, and is being hailed in Kenya as a hero.

Nearby, a woman was trapped behind a table. Haji yelled at her to run to them but the woman, 39 year-old Katherine Walker, said she couldn’t because she had three young children with her. Haji told her to send the eldest, 4-year-old Portia, who ran across. “[A] very brave girl,” said Haji affectionately. “She’s running toward a man with a gun and she was very brave.”

“I don’t know how she knew to do it but she did,” Katherine Walker later told The Telegraph newspaper, “she did what she was told and she went.”

abdulhaji.jpg
 
That changed. By the time I left in '10 no one had armed security. Apparently the liability costs outweigh the insurance savings.
Reed

Erm, well, considering we departed Aug2011, I call shenanigans because the 5th ave mall had unarmed security with campaign hats and Diamond had tac'ed out guards. Northway mall had no security evident, Sears mall had armed security.

Maybe you're not thinking about Anchorage, Alaska?
 
It is amazing to me that while all of this chaos was going on that someone was taking pictures? O_o Id be hiding/running, for sure.
 
It is amazing to me that while all of this chaos was going on that someone was taking pictures? O_o Id be hiding/running, for sure.

I'd be holed up under a desk, holding the fattest person I could find in front of me to protect me from the bullets. And I'd be screaming like a little girl.
 
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