Terrorist attack ongoing in France (14th July, Bastille Day)

[Ooh-Rah]

And Bangladesh is a major concern for a growing radicalization problem right now.. so I'm glad you found one. I've found a few bad Muslims that I like too. Quiet majority is bullshit if they are quiet.

So tell me again why you disagree?

Shahab has been my dear friend for nearly 20 years - he is not "quiet majority" and is very vocal of his displeasure about what his happening in the name of his religion.

I've found a few bad Muslims that I like too

What does this even mean? If I take it literal, than you are saying all Muslims are bad? Do you really live in that world where "every" and "all" are so easy to throw around? Seriously...are you actually stating in writing, that in your opinion every single of the estimated 1.6 billion Muslims in the world are terrorists or just one influential Youtube video away from being one?

 

[Florida173]

What does this even mean? If I take it literal, than you are saying all Muslims are bad? Do you really live in that world where "every" and "all" are so easy to throw around? Seriously...are you actually stating in writing, that in your opinion every single of the estimated 1.6 billion Muslims in the world are terrorists or just one influential Youtube video away from being one?

Cascading effect there. No. I mean that every friendly Muslim to me is actually considered a bad Muslim.

 

[Ooh-Rah]

Oh bullshit. There is not one Christian teaching that teaches violence over love.
Muslims do what they do because their actions are legitimized by Qur'anic verses.

Hmmm..really?

The Crusades? Are you aware of the Crusades? The bleeping Pope convinced his knights to slaughter Muslims by promising them that it was not a sin to kill non-Christians or non believers and that if they went to fight in the holy land, all sins would be forgiven. Sound familiar? The only thing missing are the 72 virgins.

 

[Kraut783]

David Koresh of the Branch Davidians....Waco.

 

[Kraut783]

 

[CQB]

Back to the main game, there is a firm belief that as ISIS comes under pressure, the external attacks will increase in foreign nations opposed to it, which is virtually everyone. There is a video circulating stating not to come to fight but stay at home and plan jihad where you are.
France is an ideal target as it represent everything ISIS isn't & has an internal population of Muslims.
I need not add that events like this will continue, but I will & for quite some time.

 

[CQB]

David Koresh of the Branch Davidians....Waco.

That also brings up a valid point; not all radicals are Islamic, or of ME appearance.

 

[Brill]

Hmmm..really?

The Crusades? Are you aware of the Crusades? The bleeping Pope convinced his knights to slaughter Muslims by promising them that it was not a sin to kill non-Christians or non believers and that if they went to fight in the holy land, all sins would be forgiven. Sound familiar? The only thing missing are the 72 virgins.

Yes, EXACTLY the same. We're back in 1073.

Which Christian teaching did the Pope use to support his claim that Christ authorized violence in order to recover Christian property or to defend the church? The Bible does not authorize the Pope to absolve anyone of their actions and the Dictatus Papae was a political power grab vice anything related with Christianity.

The IS's actions and religious rulings are based on the Qur'an.

 

[Florida173]

That also brings up a valid point; not all radicals are Islamic, or of ME appearance.

Of course. All northern Africa, up into the balkans, and over to Indonesia

 

[Brill]

I call your attention to the last paragraph of Pope Urban II's speech at the Council of Clermont.

Medieval Sourcebook: Urban II: Speech at Council of Clermont, 1095, according to Fulcherof Chartres

Nowhere in the Bible does it grant this power from God to man. This is not a teaching but manipulation of power and followers.

Whereas the Qur'an absolutely authorizes and commands Muslims to follow the instructions of the Caliph. The problem with Abu Bakr is he as not elected by Islamic scholars and therefore is not the legitimate Caliph.

 

[CQB]

Of course. All northern Africa, up into the balkans, and over to Indonesia

Weathermen & Tim McVeigh was where I was going with that.

 

[DA SWO]

Oh bullshit. There is not one Christian teaching that teaches violence over love.

Muslims do what they do because their actions are legitimized by Qur'anic verses.

I'll have to look, but while the Bible is often quoted as turning swords into plowshares, another chapter (Revelations?) talks about turning plowshares into swords.

David Koresh of the Branch Davidians....Waco.

I missed your point on this one?

 

[R.Caerbannog]

I think it has to do with crazy coming in all flavors. Like if Baskin Robbins could grind shitheads up into diary concoctions and market them by type. Or like the different Ben and Jerry flavors, except it's people.

 

[SpitfireV]

Cunts will cunt.

Sometimes they just need a cause.

 

[pardus]

Cunts will cunt.

Sometimes they just need a cause.

Yep. We are seeing that in a significant number of home grown terrorists. Leading a life of crime until they "find" the one true faith, then is mayhem.


@lindy you've read the Old Testament right? :-/

 

[SpitfireV]

Yep. We are seeing that in a significant number of home grown terrorists. Leading a life of crime until they "find" the one true faith, then is mayhem.


@lindy =

I can see quite a few similarities with the type of people who previously might have gone into a gang and people getting into Jihad. Not all of course.

 

[AWP]

The Crusades? Are you aware of the Crusades? The bleeping Pope convinced his knights to slaughter Muslims by promising them that it was not a sin to kill non-Christians or non believers and that if they went to fight in the holy land, all sins would be forgiven. Sound familiar? The only thing missing are the 72 virgins.

Seriously? We're going to drag out millennia old history and use it to compare/ justify something today?

You've lost your argument and managed to prove some people right. Islam hasn't changed, Christianity has. Bringing up the Crusades is one of the worst counterpoints to make in this debate because modern Christianity bears little resemblance to Christianity from 1000 years ago.

Slaughtering opponents was pretty common back then, especially the rank and file. It was a given and usually the only offense wasn't killing the masses, but the nobility. Muslim, Jew, and Christian alike played by those rules. War was barbaric back then and I can't even believe you're using it to try and make your point. It isn't close to today, not even WWII was close to war back then.

 

[DA SWO]

Hmmm..really?

The Crusades? Are you aware of the Crusades? The bleeping Pope convinced his knights to slaughter Muslims by promising them that it was not a sin to kill non-Christians or non believers and that if they went to fight in the holy land, all sins would be forgiven. Sound familiar? The only thing missing are the 72 virgins.

Are you aware that the first Crusade was essentially a defensive battle to stop Islam from conquering all of Europe?

 

[Ooh-Rah]

@Freefalling -
@DA SWO

I don't often get into religious arguments (which now appears obvious) but that does not change how I feel about the subject.

- Saying all Muslims are bad is wrong.
- Saying all Christians are good is wrong.

My attempt to use the Crusades was not a good example, but that does not change how I feel about the first part of my post.

With that said, thank you for the history lesson (no sarcasm intended) - I wish I could better articulate my point on this topic, because I genuinely believe demonizing all Muslims is a bad strategy, and not factual.

 

[Brill]

Yep. We are seeing that in a significant number of home grown terrorists. Leading a life of crime until they "find" the one true faith, then is mayhem.


@lindy you've read the Old Testament right? :-/

Yes, and the OT laws therein were superceded by the New Testament and the blood of the Lamb. The OT required sacrifices but after the crucifixion, it was no longer required (just one example).

Islam is rooted in warfare and violence to spread the word. Christianity is rooted in love, forgiveness, and faith.

Islamic faith is within the belief that subject either submits or dies.

There is not one accepted Christian leader who believes/preaches violence as a tennet of Christianity. There are MULTIPLE accepted and respected Islamic officials who advocate jihad...because it is REQUIRED in the Qur'an.

@Ooh-Rah , please don't think of this as argumentative but rather a very good exchange of varying viewpoints. I agree Muslims should not be demonized but people need to learn what Islam is and then decide.

I'm not anti-Islamic at all. More Muslims have tried to inflict harm on me personally but so have followers of Eastern Orthodox too but to a lesser degree.

Odd that a Buddist has yet to wish me harm!