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The Afghanistan and Pakistan Thread
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Love learning about the odd things that permeate the culture of the craft.
Good insight into the oil vice water mix in Tom Wolfe's The Right Stuff...and how the career military men who became the Project
Mercury Astronauts were effected by their sudden exposure to international fame...even before any of them embarked on a mission.
They actually handled it pretty well considering.
Sorry for the thread drift...exiting now.
Brill
SOF Support
Well, well, well: Talibs mysteriously dying?
Crackdown on militants as US and Afghan Taliban seek deal Crackdown on militants as US and Taliban seek deal
Crackdown on militants as US and Afghan Taliban seek deal Crackdown on militants as US and Taliban seek deal
I will remain optimistic in hopes that a peace agreement is truly on the horizon. I hope the TB are trying to get their house in order before they come to an agreed upon stand down date. They don't need anyone not on the same page fucking up a good thing.
"...a high-profile former Pakistani Taliban spokesman appears to have escaped from the custody of Pakistan's intelligence services..."
Bwaahaaaahaaaaa...they probably drove him to the bus station, gave him a ticket...and a complimentary Mango Falooda...
Bwaahaaaahaaaaa...they probably drove him to the bus station, gave him a ticket...and a complimentary Mango Falooda...
Kraut783
SOF Support
Interesting...maybe it's time to leave after all.
Official says US, Taliban reach Afghan truce agreement
" A senior U.S.official said Friday the United States and the Taliban have reached a truce agreement that will take effect “very soon” and could lead to withdrawals of American troops from Afghanistan. "
Official says US, Taliban reach Afghan truce agreement
Official says US, Taliban reach Afghan truce agreement
" A senior U.S.official said Friday the United States and the Taliban have reached a truce agreement that will take effect “very soon” and could lead to withdrawals of American troops from Afghanistan. "
Official says US, Taliban reach Afghan truce agreement
*The setting is Pakistan, early morning, the sun is rising over the Hindu Kush Mountains, a giant ball of goldenrod yellow, filling the valley with light*
Mohammed: Abdi, if I leave here I will surely die. The Americans..those damn infidels, Allah curse them!!..they will come for me.
*Mohammed is visibly distressed and saddened, obvious heartbreak on his face*
Abdi: Mo-
Mohammed: Ya amar, listen to me! You are the light in my darkness, my compass in the mountains, the shining star guiding me through rough seas. I don't know what I'd do with my life without you.
*Mohammed looks deep into Abdi' eyes, pleading, as well as with a look of almost shame for what he feels, an audible pause happens as Mohammed waits for Abdi' response*
Abdi: Habibi, listen to me, look into my eyes and deep into my soul and take what I'm about to say to heart. You are my rock when the storms come, the door that keeps the wolves out, my life has become complete with you in it. But you will surely die here in this prison, I love you habibi, I need to see you go free!
*tears well up in both of their eyes, Abdi' voice cracks as he gets the following sentence out*
Abdi: I need you to be strong, for both of us Mohammed. You can not stay here, but know I will come for you when I can.
*They embrace, and Mohammed with a pained look on his face, but mixed with a bittersweet sadness starts riding away on his pure white Arabian horse towards the sun and mountains*
*Mohammed calls back as he rides further away*
Mohammed: I will wait for you!
*Abdi whispers*
Abdi: As will I, as will I...
*As screen fades to black a General Atomics MQ-9 Reaper Drone enters stage right*
The Taliban will agree to conditions that result in the withdrawal of US forces from Afghanistan...because once we're gone they can violate that agreement and escalate operations against ANA. It worked to the Communist advantage in Vietnam; perhaps there's little to prevent it from working here.
I said it back then, and I apply it to insurgencies and guerilla conflicts generally: all they have to do to win is wait for us to leave.
Now that depends, I think, to a great extent on how good the ANA is thanks to our FID efforts...and how much support the Taliban get from Pakistan once Americans unass the AO and take our toys out of the sandbox.
I said it back then, and I apply it to insurgencies and guerilla conflicts generally: all they have to do to win is wait for us to leave.
Now that depends, I think, to a great extent on how good the ANA is thanks to our FID efforts...and how much support the Taliban get from Pakistan once Americans unass the AO and take our toys out of the sandbox.
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Kraut783
SOF Support
Agreed...they own the rural areas. What if Afghanistan had Warlords that controlled different parts of the country and could be the force against Taliban and other groups....wait....never mind, we fucked that up too.
ANA will fail...as will whatever govt is the "mayor" of Kabul.
ANA will fail...as will whatever govt is the "mayor" of Kabul.
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Theres a huge difference from the forces of 2008 to now. I have faith in ANSOF and NSOCC-A in general.
The TB are willing to find "peace" because they know that is an easier path to victory. They've worn us out, we leave, declare the Afghan gov't is stable and secure, and then the TB steamrolls what portions they haven't already. AF will go back to being PK's little bitch because that's all AF is good for. China will take their mineral and resource rape game to new levels and in the end the "poor" Afghan people for whom the world weeps will still live in the same squalor enjoyed by generations past.
Afghanistan is a self-selected victimized state. It deserves conquest and exploitation. PK deserves a 100% infant mortality rate.
Afghanistan is a self-selected victimized state. It deserves conquest and exploitation. PK deserves a 100% infant mortality rate.
With 9 years in Afghanistan, I have some pretty strong thoughts on AFPAK. There are some genuinely good Afghans, but they are slowly (or rapidly in some areas) being killed off by the other 98-99% of the population. Raping boys? Raping livestock? The world's leading producer of heroin since 2001 (sure glad no other nations were in country to stop that)? Provides 90% (let that number sink in) of the world's heroin? Sells off natural resources and then starves their own people, but also asks for world aid to feed the people it neglects? Afghanistan has all of this and more.
Pakistan is weaponized (nuclear, 1 ea.) radical Islam, a known (basically admitted) sponsor of terrorism, and like it's cucked-out, eyeliner clad little fuck boy next door, RUNNING to get some of that sweet, sweet Chinese D.
The best part is many of you remember when I was a passionate supporter of Afghanistan and that we could win the war.
If there is a hell, I hope Donny Rumfuck and Little Dick Cheney are gang raped by Mongols while other notable trash human beings masturbate in front of their anguished faces. Pol Pot bukkake!
I'll stop here before I go off on a rant.
Pakistan is weaponized (nuclear, 1 ea.) radical Islam, a known (basically admitted) sponsor of terrorism, and like it's cucked-out, eyeliner clad little fuck boy next door, RUNNING to get some of that sweet, sweet Chinese D.
The best part is many of you remember when I was a passionate supporter of Afghanistan and that we could win the war.
If there is a hell, I hope Donny Rumfuck and Little Dick Cheney are gang raped by Mongols while other notable trash human beings masturbate in front of their anguished faces. Pol Pot bukkake!
I'll stop here before I go off on a rant.
I don't doubt it. But take away our support and consider all the variables. A Taliban re-energized, corruption rampant, all the things @AWP mentioned above in his non-rant-rant...and shit will head south pretty fast.
I think the "nation" we built in OEF is fragile and will crumble. But I'm a pessimist...I saw crack units with lots of battle honors--SVN Rangers, Marines, Airborne--lose their spirit like a punctured tire once our supporting elements withdrew.
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Devildoc
Verified Military
Meh, you have done better. This doesn't even make the "AWP Top 10".
But you bring up a point, Rumsfeld and Cheney impacts on what's going on. I often wonder, and have been asked, where it went off the rails; where we went wrong from pursuing and killing those responsible for 9/11 to being the last body in the graveyard of nations known as Afghanistan almost 20 years later....
At the end of the day, Afghanistan deserves the Taliban, it deserves the enabler status of being the hot chick in the miniskirt wanting to screw the football player then crying rape for being raped by the entire team...
Kraut783
SOF Support
True, now....but the Afghan govt will not support them once we leave, the level they have achieved while the US have been there will swiftly decline when we are no longer there to support their infrastructure...training, guidance, equipment, air assets....etc.
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I hate the phrase "graveyard of nations" because how many nations were brought down because of Afghanistan? Lost a war? Sure. Lost a country? Nope.
Police offices and district headquarters have taken a beating for several years now. The TB operate in some areas with relative impunity, even against the ANA.
If we pull our CAS assets we need to pull every single troop, including SOF, out of the field and relegte them to Kabul, Bagram, and Kandahar AF. If CAS is pulled I'd even take away manned ISR flights. Relying on the Afghan AF for support is like leaving a condom in your car for a year and expecting it to not break when you need it the most.
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