Trump lowered himself to the level of the Charlie Kirk haters.
Reiner was a massive douche, but I am not celebrating his death.
Reiner was a massive douche, but I am not celebrating his death.
The Trump Presidency 2.0
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Kraut783
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Someone once said...
"I'm at that stage in life where I stay out of discussions, even if you say 1+1=5, your right...have fun"
I think I am there now.
"I'm at that stage in life where I stay out of discussions, even if you say 1+1=5, your right...have fun"
I think I am there now.
ThunderHorse
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The "When they go Low, we Go High" party of the Democrats was always bullshit. If Republicans went low, those people went subterranean. However, I generally come from the school of thought especially when someone is recently deceased to shut my mouth. The Democrats did a whole lot of pissing on Charlie Kirk's grave. But, the POTUS could still get off X.
The Quartermaster
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I'm just sick and tired of being sick and tired my friend.
I get what you are saying. But the BS is rather thick and very fatiguing.
-Never cared for kids that were victims of pedos when Biden had control of the List, only under Trump is it an "issue" and I find that to be rather weird in their warped version of morals.
-Never gave two shits for Ukraine until Trump stopped that gravy train and suddenly post Biden they are now supporters of, I find this rather odd as well.
-Fully on board with deportations and ICE when Clinton and Obama held the reins, but with Trump it's an issue?
-They danced on Kirk's grave. They did the same with Breitbart. Limbaugh. Koch. And so on, but we're not allowed to remind them that hate begets hate and that if they don't like it then why effing do it??
I can keep going on with the double standards here, but we are the choir and you get what I am saying. This douche used his status and position to be divisive and toxic. They said the same the same with Kirk and the others. I honestly think, no believe wholeheartedly that they need to see the monster that they had created.
And for a secret here about this with my thoughts: Trump IMO should have used this moment to teach them a lesson in humility by asking us not to dance on this douchebag's grave like they had with Kirk as the prime example. IT would have infuriated them and exposed them even more as being the assholes here. But he did not.
The dude had enough. he raised that black flag and he's out to slice the same throats in public with words on the same assholes that cheered for assassins to aim straighter to murder him just like they murdered Charlie Kirk. I don't condone it but I really do understand and why I ain't even mildly disturbed. Fatigue of this all will do that to a person.
This is not the kind of behavior that I want to see my President, a man I voted for twice, engaging in.
Set aside the morality; I’ve moved past that hangup in national politics. But just objectively: this type of thing fires up the opposition and diminishes internal support. It’s also an unnecessary distraction. How about you focus on the things we elected you for and don’t worry about dunking on dead opps?
Set aside the morality; I’ve moved past that hangup in national politics. But just objectively: this type of thing fires up the opposition and diminishes internal support. It’s also an unnecessary distraction. How about you focus on the things we elected you for and don’t worry about dunking on dead opps?
Topkick
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I voted for Trump on policy, not because I like him. I understand why Trump feels the way he does about people like Reiner. He's been absolutlely and unfairly trashing Trump since 2015. I don't really care what Trump says, but I believe silence speaks loudly and he should've just said nothing at all.
Kraut783
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"Washington — President Trump on Monday signed an executive order designating illicit fentanyl as a weapon of mass destruction, directing the Pentagon and Justice Department to take additional steps to combat production and distribution of the drug and its precursors."
Trump designates illicit fentanyl as a weapon of mass destruction
Sure, why not...
Trump designates illicit fentanyl as a weapon of mass destruction
Sure, why not...
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President Trumps BEST possible response would have been - SILENCE.
Nothing.
Not even an acknowledgement.
Then when the press could no longer take the silence - WHICH WOULDNT HAVE BEEN VERY LONG - he could have just deflected.
Called it a tragedy.
offered generic condolences and then changed the subject.
Maybe even make comment about the tragedy of drug abuse and mental health destroying families.
...and never even mentioned a name.
Instead, the folks that suffer from the very worst cases of TDS were simply given more nourishment for their condition and in a way that only exists in Hollywood, it will probably shift from "We should work together to find ways to prevent drug addicted children with mental health issues from killing their parents" to "See, we told you Orangemanbad" - it made the President look like he has an equally unhealthy case of Hollywood Derangement Syndrome.
I'm all about crushing your enemies and seeing them driven before you, but c'mon man... the thing.
There are no winners on any side of this tragedy.
Nothing.
Not even an acknowledgement.
Then when the press could no longer take the silence - WHICH WOULDNT HAVE BEEN VERY LONG - he could have just deflected.
Called it a tragedy.
offered generic condolences and then changed the subject.
Maybe even make comment about the tragedy of drug abuse and mental health destroying families.
...and never even mentioned a name.
Instead, the folks that suffer from the very worst cases of TDS were simply given more nourishment for their condition and in a way that only exists in Hollywood, it will probably shift from "We should work together to find ways to prevent drug addicted children with mental health issues from killing their parents" to "See, we told you Orangemanbad" - it made the President look like he has an equally unhealthy case of Hollywood Derangement Syndrome.
I'm all about crushing your enemies and seeing them driven before you, but c'mon man... the thing.
There are no winners on any side of this tragedy.
Thank you for posting that."Washington — President Trump on Monday signed an executive order designating illicit fentanyl as a weapon of mass destruction, directing the Pentagon and Justice Department to take additional steps to combat production and distribution of the drug and its precursors."
Trump designates illicit fentanyl as a weapon of mass destruction
Sure, why not...
I read both links. What's not clear to me is what additional capabilities or authorities this gives law enforcement and/or the military. The domestic impact is also unclear. For example, if fentanyl is WMD, are domestic US citizen drug runners and dealers pushing the drug... er, the WMD... now terrorists? For fentanyl addicts, when they get balled up are they getting charged with possession of WMD?
Drugs are such a big problem because of the demand, not the supply. What are we doing to crack down on demand?
Kraut783
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Yeah, that's the rub. What does this mean?
Hard to say it's a weapon of mass destruction when the people that die...seek out, pay for, and voluntarily ingest the drug.
People laugh at the Reagan "Just say No to drugs" campaign...but it had really good intentions and worked on some levels.
You can only do so much in a free society....
Hard to say it's a weapon of mass destruction when the people that die...seek out, pay for, and voluntarily ingest the drug.
People laugh at the Reagan "Just say No to drugs" campaign...but it had really good intentions and worked on some levels.
You can only do so much in a free society....
Many years ago, in a history magazine that's probably out of print by now, I read a quote by an English naval officer. The gist of the quote was, "Let them hate, so long as they also fear."
Later, the renowned scholar and philosopher Taylor Swift observed, "haters gonna hate."
In this context, I'd say "Let them hate... so long as we're also winning." The president told us that we may even get tired of winning. I'm not tired of winning. In fact, I don't think we're winning enough. I can "own the libs" or whatever, on my own, I don't need the guy I voted into the presidency doing that.
If you're the president of the United States of America, you have minions. Let the minions do minion things. Leaders should concentrate on doing the things that only leaders can do, they have people for literally everything else.
If he really had a problem with Rob Reiner, the gangster-est thing he could have done would have been to wait until he was asked about it in the press and be like "Rob Reiner? Never heard of her." That would show he's above the left's hatred.
At the end of the day, I need my president--OUR president--doing president things. Whatever this was, ain't that.
Kraut783
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Something to think about....just cracking down on drug users is difficult to change the situation.
For example....Iran, who controls it's populace with a iron grip and does not care about civil rights of it's people, still has issues.
"Iran is experiencing a severe drug addiction crisis and its authorities employ a dual approach that involves both harsh law enforcement crackdowns and, more recently, some harm reduction strategies. The crackdowns have escalated in recent years, leading to a significant increase in drug-related executions"
Law Enforcement and Penalties
Iranian police are actively engaged in combating drug trafficking and collecting habitual drug users from public spaces. This effort often results in severe punishments:
Despite the punitive measures, the country has also developed one of the most extensive harm reduction programs in the region, particularly in response to an HIV epidemic among injecting drug users in the early 2000s.
Drug use is an almost impossible issue to combat.....especially in a free society like the U.S.
For example....Iran, who controls it's populace with a iron grip and does not care about civil rights of it's people, still has issues.
"Iran is experiencing a severe drug addiction crisis and its authorities employ a dual approach that involves both harsh law enforcement crackdowns and, more recently, some harm reduction strategies. The crackdowns have escalated in recent years, leading to a significant increase in drug-related executions"
Law Enforcement and Penalties
Iranian police are actively engaged in combating drug trafficking and collecting habitual drug users from public spaces. This effort often results in severe punishments:
- Mass Executions: Human rights organizations report an alarming rise in executions for drug offenses. In 2023, more than half of Iran's 853 executions were drug-related. These executions often follow fast-tracked, systematically unfair trials that human rights groups state violate international law.
- Arrests and Dismantling Networks: The Anti-Narcotic Police regularly report major operations, including the identification and dismantling of international trafficking rings and the seizure of hundreds of tons of narcotics.
- Compulsory Camps and Imprisonment: Individuals arrested for public drug use can be held in compulsory "treatment" camps or prisons for extended periods. These facilities operate with little oversight and can strip occupants of their rights.
- High Incarceration Rates: Historically, a large percentage of Iran's prison population has been incarcerated for drug-related crimes.
Despite the punitive measures, the country has also developed one of the most extensive harm reduction programs in the region, particularly in response to an HIV epidemic among injecting drug users in the early 2000s.
- Treatment Facilities: Iran has thousands of voluntary treatment centers and mandatory facilities.
- Harm Reduction Initiatives: Programs such as needle exchange (NSP) and methadone maintenance treatment (MMT) were introduced, particularly within prisons, and were initially supported by health and even some judicial authorities.
- Policy Conflict: A persistent conflict exists between the health system's view of addiction as a disease and law enforcement's approach of substance use as a crime. The current political climate has seen a reduction in support for harm reduction programs, with a renewed focus on physically removing drug users from public spaces.
Drug use is an almost impossible issue to combat.....especially in a free society like the U.S.
Treatment for drug abuse is expensive. Most insurance policies don't pay for it, and inpatient programs aren't long enough. This is especially true for drugs like meth, coke, and heroin that destroy pleasure centers in the brain.
Fentanyl has killed more people in the U.S. in the last several years than any other substance. I don’t care what they do to stop it, including drone strikes on land if they can actually accurately target shipments. Better they do something crazy than continue on with the wishful thinking the problem will solve itself.
Don't forget, DTOs have been adding Fentanyl to other drugs like coke and meth for years now, which is fucking insane... They know what they are doing.
Fentanyl has killed more people in the U.S. in the last several years than any other substance. I don’t care what they do to stop it, including drone strikes on land if they can actually accurately target shipments. Better they do something crazy than continue on with the wishful thinking the problem will solve itself.
Don't forget, DTOs have been adding Fentanyl to other drugs like coke and meth for years now, which is fucking insane... They know what they are doing.
Devildoc
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Fentanyl is a weird drug. I mean, we don't give heroin, meth, or coke* in the hospital, but we give fentanyl like it's water.
*ENT does have a nasal spray that has some cocaine in it.
*ENT does have a nasal spray that has some cocaine in it.
The amount of narcan I am required to give vs 25 years ago is crazy.
The ODs we get now vs just 10 years ago are different.
The amount of unfortunate souls, zombies that are on the corner, dipping on H and Fentanyl in Kensington section of Philly is like a mini third world nation.
Somethings gotta be done.
The ODs we get now vs just 10 years ago are different.
The amount of unfortunate souls, zombies that are on the corner, dipping on H and Fentanyl in Kensington section of Philly is like a mini third world nation.
Somethings gotta be done.
Every time I ask a pt in pain if they want Fentanyl, they freak out and refuse it. Takes a lot of convincing.
We can give toradol in field but the 65 female that just broke her pelvis in a fall needs opioid pain relief, the fear of Fentanyl is real.
Devildoc
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I never said 'no' lol. Shit works.
80,000 OD deaths last year, up from around 15-20,000 in the 90s. Thats also down from the 105,000 deaths in 2023.
Part of the huge increase in meth and cocaine deaths include fentanyl. I'm not going to dig right now, but you can look it up online.
Part of the huge increase in meth and cocaine deaths include fentanyl. I'm not going to dig right now, but you can look it up online.
Ditto.
I recall in 2018/19 when Fentanyl hit the streets.
We went from a few ODs a night to 5 or 6 a night while running out of narcan.
The county 911 system/medical director changed SOP so that all opioid ODs received a 2 medic unit dispatch because most resulted in cardiac arrest.
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