Tinnitus

[poison]

Nice, I'll look at their supplements.

People seem to point to the safety factor when talking about supplementing troops. But it's the military, bud; soldiers get shot at, it's not safe. If you're hearing is better because you take mag, or you have more endurance because you take citrulline, but there's some mild side effects, look, the sides are nothing like getting shot because your hearing was gone or you couldn't run fast enough or long enough.

What are your thoughts, Will?

 

[pardus]

Military leaders often have little imagination or lack the balls to follow it if they do.
Status quo always has the upper hand :2c:

 

[WillBrink]

Nice, I'll look at their supplements.

People seem to point to the safety factor when talking about supplementing troops. But it's the military, bud; soldiers get shot at, it's not safe. If you're hearing is better because you take mag, or you have more endurance because you take citrulline, but there's some mild side effects, look, the sides are nothing like getting shot because your hearing was gone or you couldn't run fast enough or long enough.

What are your thoughts, Will?

I am going to get on my soap box here and it will not be a PC soap box. The side effects of the worst supp out there are quite mild compared to having your legs blown off 'cause you were too tired to stay awake. The fear of side effects is a BS excuse used by ignorant people who fail to look at the data. Side effects for the most part are non existant. To take it a step into true non PC land, I think anabolic steroids should be studied and used as needed. People in your line of work are not doing it for a trophy or a 7 figure contract, and anything that can make the difference between life and death should be an option for a soldier. Again side effects of AAS are generally short lived and not life threatening, and regardless, side effects from these drugs are mild compared to bullet wounds. They banned ephedrine for the military 'cause the sports sports feds banned it, as if the two could be compared! Although ephedrine can have side effects in some people (though again, the media over palyed the reality of that), falling asleep in a 30 million dollar plane tends to put a real cock up in your life. There is a risk to benefit that has to be employed here, and the risk from supps, and even some drugs, is small compared to the alternative. Banning drug use to over piad athletes is one thing, but it should not apply to the military, especially SOF. This line of reasoning did not go over well with some people on that "other" SOF forum, but that's the way it goes when you speak the truth. As my old proff used to say "emotions can never alter facts, but facts can alter emotions." BTW, the Candians looked at ephedrine with some of their SOF guys and found it worked quite well. Run times improved, less fatigue, etc. On the issue of drugs, I have spoken to some SOF guys who used less then legal ways of keeping their strength and muscle up, and I think it sucks they have to figure that out for themselvves and get zero help from the med staff on such things, which only increases the potential for side effects, long term and short term. They can drop from a plane, blow things up, kill people, get killed, but God forbid they use some ephedrine to stay awake during the op???!!! I could write an whole book on that, but I wont. Getting off soap box and putting on Nomex suit for the incoming flames....:eek:

I am sure that was a lot more then you waned or needed to know on the topic!

 

[poison]

Nope, I fully agree. I didn't want to bring up AAS, but the elephant's in the room now.

I'd add that the military has fucked more guys with vaccines and other substances than supplemets ever could or would. People are just afraid of the words 'performance enhancing', but they don't understand that food, water, and sleep, regular everyday items that everyone partakes of, are performance ennhancing substances when used properly.


Oh, and I bet you don't get banned for speaking your mind on that here. ;)



Great post, maybe I'll go 'over there' and cut and paste, lol.


Edited to add: sure, someone would likely die from using XYZ supp, whether from using it improperly, or having a congenital defect that pre-disposed them to a negative outcome; BUT, I guarantee you more lives would be saved by using the right tool for the right job, regardless. It's like banning airbags in cars because someone got killed by impacting their airbag. Asinine.

 

[WillBrink]

Nope, I fully agree. I didn't want to bring up AAS, but the elephant's in the room now.

It's all good. I have been called many things by many people, but PC aint one of those things.

I'd add that the military has fucked more guys with vaccines and other substances than supplemets ever could or would. People are just afraid of the words 'performance enhancing', but they don't understand that food, water, and sleep, regular everyday items that everyone partakes of, are performance ennhancing substances when used properly.

All good points. You guys deserve better.

Oh, and I bet you don't get banned for speaking your mind on that here. ;)

Some one who was a regular over there and a mod there was nice enough to contact me when this forum was started up and invited me over and didn't seem to think anything I said over there should have resulted in my being banned. I have never been banned from any forum and I run two of my own.

Great post, maybe I'll go 'over there' and cut and paste, lol.

You will get banned also! Don't bother. There were some AAS related threads I added some good info to, but I suspect they removed my posts.

 

[DDSSDV]

Doing the VA dance now. We shall see.

 

[DDSSDV]

Discovery

I have found that caffiene seems to increase the level of noise. Maybe it stimulates the ear as well when all senses are heightened from caffiene. If no coffee will allow me some quiet time so be it. DAMN...NO MO KONA?:eek:

 

[Olive Drab]

its been a month, has anyone made progress with the magnesium or the other supplements? my left ear rings ever since i went to iraq

 

[DoctorDoom]

For you guys who have a mechanism of injury that will cause tinnitus, forget the supplements and vitamins; they don't do much. You will need to see a specialist and maybe have noise cancelling aids, some ablative surgeries for those who are really in pain, or even cognitive behavior treatment.

Not too many good options, unfortunately, but there are new treatments on the horizon.

 

[Skred]

Tinnitus bothers me too; add listening to radios to lotsa loud stuff. The 400Hz whine on older aircraft is really irritating.

I went to an audiologist and spent the money to have some custom molded earplugs made. It helped.

Think about buying a "white noise generator". The noise masks the tinnitus, especially when I am trying to get to sleep.