Today in my speech class...

I applaud your endeavor.

I disagree with your conclusion: There are many actions of this country that I do not support. If you try to get me to leave this country, bring lots of body bags. My sons have not done military time. Try and deport them. Bring body bags.

Plus, deporting citizens just doesn't sell well to JQP.

What's your response?

I am not arguing your thesis. I want to know your thought process and ensure that you flesh out your opinion.

You have your opinions and I have mine. I cannot and will not make you or anyone else leave this country just because I disagree with you. That is part of this awesome country. I do not think it has to be military service. There should be an option between military or a community service type job. And you should still have the options of signing a military contract and working as military people do now. But the one year of military service maybe be a job like accounting or something up their alley. Their are hundreds of jobs to choose from and it would be like being an intern for a year. I am not sure on the benefits though like pay and what not. But you get to see if you want that job for a career or a certain period of time after your one year of mandatory service. The other jobs would be something along the lines of of building houses or parks and maintaining your community, helping the homeless or anyone in need.
 
Take your emotion out of it. Look at this topic objectively, think about the fact our country has 300+million people.

How would you grandfather people in? Are 40 year old men suddenly going to lose rights?
I would grandfather people in after a certain date. Make it mandatory for the upcoming generations. The one year mandatory service would be enough for just 18year olds or a single age. There are approximately 26 million 18-24 year old in the United States right now.
 
We have Gap Year service here. Twelve months voluntary service between high school and higher education. If recruits like it, they have the opportunity to stay on.
I had a similar experience when having to present on a topic of choice. Mine was shooting in national parks which created an uproar.
As advice, stick to your guns, research & present a well researched argument. You may find you can change peoples' opinion. Good luck.
 
I would grandfather people in after a certain date. Make it mandatory for the upcoming generations. The one year mandatory service would be enough for just 18year olds or a single age. There are approximately 26 million 18-24 year old in the United States right now.
Would not those young people discriminate against the grandfathered people?
 
@amoriss127289 I would recommend you start with your strategic concept - mandatory federal service - and work through the implications on a national scale for your speech. A lot of what is being discussed is working from the ground up - exactly how the system would work and the details - instead of making a case for your concept first. If you can't get past the first stage - there should be mandatory federal service or there shouldn't - the details won't matter.

I assume you don't have unlimited time for this speech, plus there are a myriad ways of executing the concept. I recommend you decide the core of what you believe - it sounds like it's that mandatory federal service strengthens civic capacity, fosters a sense of civic duty, and mobilizes the populace towards national policy - but that just might be my take on what you've said. Whatever your core beliefs on the benefits of some sort of system I'd start with why those are a good thing and put those into your argument. Then, look at what people might object to about each of those things - impingements on individual liberty/conscience, expense, expanding of federal power, etc. Work those arguments/counterarguments into your speech.

Also, I'd recommend you take some time and reflect on why you didn't like having your feelings/opinions laughed at and dismissed. Then see if any of those things you didn't appreciate people doing to you - dismissing you, making snap judgments about your intelligence, assuming they knew what you were thinking - are things you might want to be watchful for in your own behavior. If you decide anyone who doesn't react the way you'd like them to is a liberal cunt and dismiss them out of hand you'll feel much better about yourself and your ideas, but you won't form very strong arguments. You'll require an echo chamber to tell you only what you want to hear. It's a recipe for a great future in talk radio, but not in academia or any profession you can't dismiss others out of hand.
 
@amoriss127289 I would recommend you start with your strategic concept - mandatory federal service - and work through the implications on a national scale for your speech. A lot of what is being discussed is working from the ground up - exactly how the system would work and the details - instead of making a case for your concept first. If you can't get past the first stage - there should be mandatory federal service or there shouldn't - the details won't matter.

I assume you don't have unlimited time for this speech, plus there are a myriad ways of executing the concept. I recommend you decide the core of what you believe - it sounds like it's that mandatory federal service strengthens civic capacity, fosters a sense of civic duty, and mobilizes the populace towards national policy - but that just might be my take on what you've said. Whatever your core beliefs on the benefits of some sort of system I'd start with why those are a good thing and put those into your argument. Then, look at what people might object to about each of those things - impingements on individual liberty/conscience, expense, expanding of federal power, etc. Work those arguments/counterarguments into your speech.

Also, I'd recommend you take some time and reflect on why you didn't like having your feelings/opinions laughed at and dismissed. Then see if any of those things you didn't appreciate people doing to you - dismissing you, making snap judgments about your intelligence, assuming they knew what you were thinking - are things you might want to be watchful for in your own behavior. If you decide anyone who doesn't react the way you'd like them to is a liberal cunt and dismiss them out of hand you'll feel much better about yourself and your ideas, but you won't form very strong arguments. You'll require an echo chamber to tell you only what you want to hear. It's a recipe for a great future in talk radio, but not in academia or any profession you can't dismiss others out of hand.
Thank you. I have read, and re read your last paragraph numerous times. It has helped me out and I will keep it around throughout my life.

Tomorrow we have our topic defense ( I turn in my manicured topic proposal.) I plan on focusing my speech on Why there should be a mandatory year, and I will do my research on how to put it in to effect and other rebuttals my teacher might have for my idea so I can properly defend my views.

Below is the proper format for the proposal document she provided to us.
upload_2015-6-3_21-59-46.png
 
I would consider taking another look paragraph 3. Most people are less amenable to an argument when you start off insulting them. A good way to prepare any argument is to look at it realistically from a different perspective. Do you think your opponents in their own minds are lazy or might they have another conception of why they would not want to give up a year of their lives in a mandatory program?

For paragraph 4 you might want to include a little more explication. One of the purposes of a college education - at least in the liberal arts tradition - is to prepare citizens. Ideas of civic duty and the uses of tax payer money (for a majority of people who will be first-time tax payers in a few years) might be particularly applicable to a group like that.
 
Thank you. I have read, and re read your last paragraph numerous times. It has helped me out and I will keep it around throughout my life.

Tomorrow we have our topic defense ( I turn in my manicured topic proposal.) I plan on focusing my speech on Why there should be a mandatory year, and I will do my research on how to put it in to effect and other rebuttals my teacher might have for my idea so I can properly defend my views.

Below is the proper format for the proposal document she provided to us.
View attachment 13473
1. Proposed Topic and Position: I plan to persuade or convince you to . . .


2. General Purpose:


3. Identify your audience:

a. Hostile audience/Why?


b. Receptive audience/Why?


c. Neutral audience/Why?


4. In paragraph form, using demographic and/or attitudinal data analysis, explain why your topic would be of interest to this audience.
 
Declare your audience hostile and then proclaim them to be lazy? You could write a theorem for time travel on the whiteboard and still fail. Do what you want, and I'm a pretty binary person, but I'd equivocate and call the audience neutral. Say some are receptive, some aren't and some have an open mind....tell the class you believe that or even cite polls where opinions are divided, but hostile/ lazy? Write off this grade and scramble for an A.
 
Declare your audience hostile and then proclaim them to be lazy? You could write a theorem for time travel on the whiteboard and still fail. Do what you want, and I'm a pretty binary person, but I'd equivocate and call the audience neutral. Say some are receptive, some aren't and some have an open mind....tell the class you believe that or even cite polls where opinions are divided, but hostile/ lazy? Write off this grade and scramble for an A.
Noted and applied. Thank you Freefalling and Il Duce.
 
Declare your audience hostile and then proclaim them to be lazy? You could write a theorem for time travel on the whiteboard and still fail. Do what you want, and I'm a pretty binary person, but I'd equivocate and call the audience neutral. Say some are receptive, some aren't and some have an open mind....tell the class you believe that or even cite polls where opinions are divided, but hostile/ lazy? Write off this grade and scramble for an A.
I am sitting in the class now. I just proposed my topic and my teacher says "I still believe the majority of the audience is hostile towards your idea." ......
But two of the class mates that were against the idea yesterday were nodding in approval today. I may not sway everyone but maybe I can change a few minds. I may have to go for a shock and awe method and just say 75% of the nation is fat and lazy.
 
I got a 4/5 on the proposal because "the audience is hostile. We did a survey in class and they said they didn't like the idea" is what she wrote on my paper.
 
Back
Top