Top SEAL gives deadline

[Gunz]

'We Have a Problem': Letter from Naval Special Warfare Command CO to Force - USNI News

I find it indicative of the root problems within the culture that we (the public) even have access to this directive. It's like we've shit all over ourselves in public, so we might as well wash our dirty laundry in public.

The replacement forces needed to take over their Ops at the current proficiency levels simply do not exist.

What about MARSOC? There must be some redundancy of capabilities between two maritime SOF units...as @DasBoot has touched upon.

 

[policemedic]

MARSOC, as good as it is, can’t step into DEVGRU’s mission set and expect to be successful.

 

[policemedic]

The replacement forces needed to take over their Ops at the current proficiency levels simply do not exist.

You may be right. It takes a huge investment in time and national treasure to assess, select, train and equip a Tier One dude and it is unreasonable to assume another SEAL team or MARSOC or Charlie Sheen could just take over for them.

Can we afford not to disband them at this stage in the game? That’s the bigger question. Yeah, it’ll take time to rebuild the ranks. It might just be that we should take the hard road instead of the easy one.

 

[BloodStripe]

naval Institute, Proceedings, published it.

Still doesn't mean it wasn't leaked. Naval Institute is a private organization, is it not?

 

[Ooh-Rah]

Can we afford not to disband them at this stage in the game? That’s the bigger question. Yeah, it’ll take time to rebuild the ranks. It might just be that we should take the hard road instead of the easy one.

The question I ask, is anyone outside is the pretty well thought out confines of our little board here, even considering such a thing?

 

[Deleted member 2517]

MARSOC, as good as it is, can’t step into DEVGRU’s mission set and expect to be successful.

There are already a handful of Marines working in the Army SMUs. Using those guys to stand up a Marine SMU would be doable, if not likely. Also I would venture to say that the Raiders have as much experience doing ship take downs and maritime interdictions.

 

[policemedic]

There are already a handful of Marines working in the Army SMUs. Using those guys to stand up a Marine SMU would be doable, if not likely. Also I would venture to say that the Raiders have as much experience doing ship take downs and maritime interdictions.

No argument about the Marines in SMUs or the capability of Raiders in any way.

I’m just saying you can’t hand them a new patch and say, “Congrats! Here’s your key to the Tier One latrine.” They would have to train up for that, which would create some downtime with missions that would have gone to Six going to the other Tier One asset.

I’d be interested to hear what a current Raider thinks out their unit’s capability relative to a SEAL team.

 

[Hillclimb]

What about MARSOC? There must be some redundancy of capabilities between two maritime SOF units...as @DasBoot has touched upon.

No argument about the Marines in SMUs or the capability of Raiders in any way.

I’m just saying you can’t hand them a new patch and say, “Congrats! Here’s your key to the Tier One latrine.” They would have to train up for that, which would create some downtime with missions that would have gone to Six going to the other Tier One asset.

I’d be interested to hear what a current Raider thinks out their unit’s capability relative to a SEAL team.

To a SEAL team or DEVGRU? I've seen both names thrown out around here, and they're gonna be two very different answers.

 

[USNSCC_Guru]

A Recon Marine I know once said, "The problem with SEALs is BUD/S. Just because they've survived being uselessly beaten for useless shit they have this mentality of 'I'm the best' that is supercharged by the media." He then said something to the effect of going back to a training that refines the skill, physical ability, and professionalism of the trainees, not just beating them. I wonder if he had something there.

 

[policemedic]

To a SEAL team or DEVGRU? I've seen both names thrown out around here, and they're gonna be two very different answers.

SEAL team. I don’t believe there’s a fair comparison to be made to DEVGRU.

 

[Deleted member 2517]

SEAL team. I don’t believe there’s a fair comparison to be made to DEVGRU.

Those guys are so inactive right now and there are so few maritime missions that then being stood down would be fine. Regiment would be able to fill the void in their theater along with group. In the mean time Raider batts could cover the maritime gig before a Tier One unit could replace it

 

[Hillclimb]

I don't think it would be wise to make Raiders a dedicated maritime SOF asset. We all know the politics of controlling real estate and influence. I don't think it'd be as simple as being a fill in for the time being: "Wow you guys are killing it. Why don't you stay here for the next 20 years!"

Realistically we don't really have the mobility to just shift missions like that due to our size(3 Battalions/4 companies/4 MSOTs per company/AO). Each Battalion maintains 4 teams forward deployed and they're already tied up between Iraq/Afg, also I think we'd be wasting our enablers capabilities if we shifted them in that direction as well. One of our strengths is that we deploy fully enabled MSOTs, and all of our capabilities are organic to us(12 Raiders + handful of enablers). I imagine the SEALs have a better working relationship with the platforms/support needed to conduct those types of operations anyways(SWCC, and Navy in general). For the most part I'd say the appetite to take on that as a full time mission set is... not very high in the community, since we've been investing and gained most of our experience in the FID/UW world the past x years.

I think putting a fully enabled MSOT in anything other than the realm FID/IW/UW is a waste. But thats just my .02.

 

[Hacksaw0621]

The maritime missions would be a good gig for Recon but that would never happen

 

[Gunz]

The question I ask, is anyone outside is the pretty well thought out confines of our little board here, even considering such a thing?

It'll never happen. We are a justifiably critical and highly opinionated military audience. Outside of the "biz" the SEALs sit next to God, Old Glory and mom's apple pie.

 

[Devildoc]

It'll never happen. We are a justifiably critical and highly opinionated military audience. Outside of the "biz" the SEALs sit next to God, Old Glory and mom's apple pie.

That is historically the case sine the onset of the GWOT--afterall, they walked both ways, up hill, in snow, at night, to give OBL a dirt nap--but I think it's changing. It's too public now, and it not just one individual fuck up, it's multiple institutional failures.

 

[Gunz]

That is historically the case sine the onset of the GWOT--afterall, they walked both ways, up hill, in snow, at night, to give OBL a dirt nap--but I think it's changing. It's too public now, and it not just one individual fuck up, it's multiple institutional failures.

I think you're giving the general public too much credit. Most have very little interest in or knowledge of military affairs...and I'd extend that level of ignorance to much of the main stream media.

I think it's very unlikely that DEVGRU or the SEAL teams get disbanded.

 

[Teufel]

The maritime missions would be a good gig for Recon but that would never happen

You never know!

 

[Kraut783]

This thread is fantastic....learning a lot from everyone's input.

 

[Devildoc]

I think you're giving the general public too much credit. Most have very little interest in or knowledge of military affairs...and I'd extend that level of ignorance to much of the main stream media.

I think it's very unlikely that DEVGRU or the SEAL teams get disbanded.

So, I kinda thought so, too. I do think the public is removed from the military. But this mess has been in the national media so much people are talking about it. A couple folks asked me about it, knowing I was in. People don't have an informed opinion but some personal are talking. But you are right in that most people couldn't give two shits.

I don't think the SEAL teams are going anywhere but wouldn't be surprised if six gets changed.

 

[Ooh-Rah]

But you are right in that most people couldn't give two shits.

Agree 100%. The folks who are already anti-military will only become more so. But most of the people who run in my circles? As far as they are concerned...SEAL's gonna SEAL and it's all good! Get those terrorists, boys!