ATF Proposes Rules on "Stabilizing Braces"

[DZ]

Pretty sure they are rescinding the letter. 80,000 people commented when they attempted to ban Green Tip. In just a few days they had 50,000 people comment on the braces (and close to the holidays).

Though I think this isn't the last we'll see on this issue from the ATF.

 

[Dame]

I'm not exactly sure what this means....

"ATF is announcing the withdrawal of a notice and request for comments entitled “Objective Factors for Classifying Weapons with ‘Stabilizing Braces’,” that was published on December 18, 2020."

"Upon further consultation with the Department of Justice and the Office of the Deputy Attorney General, ATF is withdrawing, pending further Department of Justice review, the notice and request for comments entitled “Objective Factors for Classifying Weapons with ‘Stabilizing Braces’,” that was published on December 18, 2020. 85 FR 82516. As explained in the notice, the proposed guidance was not a regulation. The notice informed and invited comment from the industry and public on a proposed guidance prior to issuing a final guidance document. The withdrawal of the guidance does not change any law, regulation, or other legally binding requirement."

SB Criteria Withdrawal Notice 12-23-20.pdf | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives

Means all you have to do is post a bone head move on SS and said bone-heads back down.

For now.

 

[Brill]

I bet that DOJ review will miraculously be complete just after noon on 20 Jan.

 

[BloodStripe]

They can still interpret law without a public notice. I'm sure of the 50k comments many were along the lines of "fuck the ATF" so they'll say that the whole comment thing doesn't matter and we are going to interpret the law that pistol braces require a tax stamp.

 

[DA SWO]

I'm not exactly sure what this means....

"ATF is announcing the withdrawal of a notice and request for comments entitled “Objective Factors for Classifying Weapons with ‘Stabilizing Braces’,” that was published on December 18, 2020."

"Upon further consultation with the Department of Justice and the Office of the Deputy Attorney General, ATF is withdrawing, pending further Department of Justice review, the notice and request for comments entitled “Objective Factors for Classifying Weapons with ‘Stabilizing Braces’,” that was published on December 18, 2020. 85 FR 82516. As explained in the notice, the proposed guidance was not a regulation. The notice informed and invited comment from the industry and public on a proposed guidance prior to issuing a final guidance document. The withdrawal of the guidance does not change any law, regulation, or other legally binding requirement."

SB Criteria Withdrawal Notice 12-23-20.pdf | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives

@Gunz -hate towards the ATF.
@Kraut783 temporary withdrawal, they'll try it again.

 

[Kraut783]

Oh, with the new admin....I'm sure.

 

[compforce]

90 lawmakers signed a letter slamming the ATF. That was the reason for the withdrawal of the notice.

90 Members of Congress Sign Letter Objecting to ATF Pistol Brace Notice – Personal Defense World

 

[Grunt]

Any action taken by the BATFE is calculated. I can almost guarantee you that they are regrouping for another stronger shot in the not-so-distant future. I hope I'm wrong and will gladly admit it if it turns out the way, but I'm not feeling it right now....

 

[Gunz]

@Gunz -hate towards the ATF.
@Kraut783 temporary withdrawal, they'll try it again.

Just funnin, bro. Got no hate for ATF.

 

[Intel Nerd]

Which of the above are fully semi-automatc?

I really can't unwatch the video of Hertling saying that. #HowToLoseCredibilityInstantly

 

[Kraut783]

So, submitted the Form 1 on eForms website on 12/03....I received my approval via email with a PDF of my stamp on 12/27....I was quite blown away, 24 days during a federal holiday month...unbelievable.

If you wanna do one, this is the time.

 

[Ooh-Rah]

So, submitted the Form 1 on eForms website on 12/03....I received my approval via email with a PDF of my stamp on 12/27....I was quite blown away, 24 days during a federal holiday month...unbelievable.

I’m assuming you’re talking about a suppressor?

They just recently became legal in Minnesota, I don’t currently have a pistol that is threaded to except one, do they need to be pistol specific?

Can I get one that is specifically 9 mm and use it on my eventual 9 mm?

 

[Kraut783]

I’m assuming you’re talking about a suppressor?

They just recently became legal in Minnesota, I don’t currently have a pistol that is threaded to except one, do they need to be pistol specific?

Can I get one that is specifically 9 mm and use it on my eventual 9 mm?

No, Form 1 to SBR (Short Barreled rifle) a firearm.....you have to do a Form 4 for suppressors, just a different form because it's not a firearm.

Yep, you can purchase a 9mm can and decide what to use it on later.....I bought a Omega 9K which is good for 9mm and .300blk....for pistols you just have to add a piston for the suppressor...allows the semi-pistol to cycle. You can put the can on whatever weapon you want to...it's not designated for only one firearm.

Good info here....

Silencer Frequently Asked Questions Silencer Ship

 

[Kaldak]

No, Form 1 to SBR (Short Barreled rifle) a firearm.....you have to do a Form 4 for suppressors, just a different form because it's not a firearm.

Yep, you can purchase a 9mm can and decide what to use it on later.....I bought a Omega 9K which is good for 9mm and .300blk....for pistols you just have to add a piston for the suppressor...allows the semi-pistol to cycle. You can put the can on whatever weapon you want to...it's not designated for only one firearm.

Good info here....

Silencer Frequently Asked Questions Silencer Ship

Do I need to form-1 my 5.56 pistol with its 7.5in barrel? Just bought it last month.

It has a standard looking stock, just not telescoping like I'd prefer. It also doesn't seem removable?

 

[Kraut783]

ATF states a short barreled rifle is:

An SBR is a rifle with a barrel less than 16 inches or a rifle with a barrel of 16 inches or longer but an overall length of fewer than 26 inches.

Right now there are AR "pistols" that have a brace instead of a stock, still perfectly legal...and you are still able to "occasionally" shoulder it.

If you have an AR pistol with a brace and want to put a regular stock on it, you would need to do a Form 1 to make it a short barreled rifle.

But you don't need to do anything to it, if you don't want to. I wanted to put a certain stock on my gun, so went ahead and did it.

 

[BloodStripe]

Do I need to form-1 my 5.56 pistol with its 7.5in barrel? Just bought it last month.

It has a standard looking stock, just not telescoping like I'd prefer. It also doesn't seem removable?

How did you buy it?

Not a lawyer and not overly familiar Wisconsin law, but the short answer is no.

 

[Ooh-Rah]

I am often in awe of the amount of things I learn on this forum by accident versus other places by design.

 

[Kaldak]

How did you buy it?

Not a lawyer and not overly familiar Wisconsin law, but the short answer is no.

Bought it as a pistol. Even got charged an extra 10$ pistol xfer fee by Cabelas.

 

[BloodStripe]

I’m assuming you’re talking about a suppressor?

They just recently became legal in Minnesota, I don’t currently have a pistol that is threaded to except one, do they need to be pistol specific?

Can I get one that is specifically 9 mm and use it on my eventual 9 mm?

Form 1 is if you're building your own AR. Form 4 is if you're buying a prebuilt gun.

 

[BloodStripe]

Bought it as a pistol. Even got charged an extra 10$ pistol xfer fee by Cabelas.

And it came with the "brace"?