Bull Ensign, Order of the Shellback, and other hazing highjinks....

Funny you posted this, I was just looking the incident up - it was really bugging me. Turns out it is from 2012

Soldier who hit colleague with wooden mallet is disciplined

A Fort Bragg spokesperson told NBC News that this event was “not in keeping with military service."
The soldier will be fined, receive an administrative punishment and will receive a letter of reprimand in his permanent file. He must also write an apology letter and will be relieved of his responsibilities.
This is a career-ending punishment.

I wonder how many soldiers that 1SG saw punished for some form of misconduct, meanwhile he broke regulations/policy and assaulted soldiers who were being promoted. Setting such a great example for a young NCO to follow. Reduced in rank to SPC/E4 and mandatory retirement would be a more fitting punishment IMHO.
 
Needs to lose a stripe as part of the career ending punishment.

Nope.

http://www.wtsp.com/story/news/weird/2014/03/07/1985028/

The Army says Sgt. First Class Carpenter gets to keep his E-7 status, but “he’s been transferred to another base and is no longer directly responsible for soldiers.”
Ken Roach told Newschannel 3 he received two phone calls tonight–one from Brigadier General Charles Flynn, the Deputy Commanding General of the 82nd Airborne, and Col. Patrick J. Hynes, the Brigade Commander.
Roach says both men apologized and expressed regret for what his son experienced.
 
Nope.

http://www.wtsp.com/story/news/weird/2014/03/07/1985028/

The Army says Sgt. First Class Carpenter gets to keep his E-7 status, but “he’s been transferred to another base and is no longer directly responsible for soldiers.”
Ken Roach told Newschannel 3 he received two phone calls tonight–one from Brigadier General Charles Flynn, the Deputy Commanding General of the 82nd Airborne, and Col. Patrick J. Hynes, the Brigade Commander.
Roach says both men apologized and expressed regret for what his son experienced.

Flynn's now the commander of the 25th Infantry Division and Hynes was relieved of brigade command with CID investigating "a single criminal incident." I didn't see Carpenter's fate, but I didn't dig much either.
 
Back when I went to Jump School, everyone got blood wings, it was a rite of passage, but we sure as hell didn't get it done with a mallet, it just felt like it after the 3rd punch from a buddy...:wall::blkeye:

When we were awarded our FMF qual pins we had the option of having them "blood pinned." I did; it is (well, was) tradition. Some didn't. I have hesitated thus far of bringing this up because the Marine leadership that did it/condoned it, some are still in. But since I forgot their names, the date, and location, I suppose it's all good.

I will say of those who chose to not participate, there was no 'mark' or anything held against them, and we all went drinking afterward.
 
It was a pretty tough morning. The really tough part was my wife. For some reason, they picked the day of out 25th wedding anniversary:wall::dead:. Surviving that part was no easier than the breakout hill. It just cost me a pretty penny in silver to set things right again.

Respect. Hat is off, Sir. I have been in far more trouble for far less.
 
Nope.

http://www.wtsp.com/story/news/weird/2014/03/07/1985028/

The Army says Sgt. First Class Carpenter gets to keep his E-7 status, but “he’s been transferred to another base and is no longer directly responsible for soldiers.”
Ken Roach told Newschannel 3 he received two phone calls tonight–one from Brigadier General Charles Flynn, the Deputy Commanding General of the 82nd Airborne, and Col. Patrick J. Hynes, the Brigade Commander.
Roach says both men apologized and expressed regret for what his son experienced.
When did SFC's become 1st Sgt's?
The GOMR should prevent any additional promotions, and he (at worst) leaves the Army as a SFC.
 
This article was written by Jarred Taylor, a member of the Drinkin' Bros / Article 15 Clothing team and former TACP. I thought it was well-written and well-argued.

Rituals like this have existed within our ranks and specialized units for years. The sad thing is, they are disappearing fast because of the word hazing. The problem is, hazing is grotesquely mislabeled and misunderstood by our senior leadership. Anytime the word is merely mentioned there is an immediate knee jerk reaction. It all stems from leadership afraid to lose their job from a congressional inquiry. But the real question here is what is the definition of hazing?


So what is "hazing" to you?
 
This article was written by Jarred Taylor, a member of the Drinkin' Bros / Article 15 Clothing team and former TACP. I thought it was well-written and well-argued.

So what is "hazing" to you?

Good article. I think defining 'hazing' is like defining 'art': you know it when you see it. I guess by letter of the definition, some things I endured (and likely ALL of us endured...) were hazing, but I always thought of it as having some hidden meaning, steeped in history/tradition, or a rite of initiation. Although some of it was stupid, it was never demeaning or humiliating. Even as Bull (Ensign), I knew it came from a time aboard ship when everyone needed some light-hearted fun and it carried over 200 years. It was bullshit and I hated some of it, but I knew what it was about.
 
To me hazing breaks from the established efforts to add one to the team and instead separates them. On an ODA there is the phrase that you isolate, then insulate. I think that is an important aspect, but not hazing. You are isolated but left out, expected to be at events but kept kind of on the outside. It creates an I retesting dynamic and once you are Insulated in the team room they become everything to you.

Hazing to me has no purpose. Except for, “it’s always been done that way.” I think that if you go through something tough, there is something to be said for joining the club, but it should be purposeful, rather than sadistic. It is like art, you know it when you see it.

I once witnessed a cadre make a guy low crawl over a 100M to retrieve a non tied down canteen, through gravel, when it was over 100 degrees. That was sadistic, served no purpose, and caused physical injury. That cadre later had his tabbed revoked. That was hazing. Forced alcohol consumption, is hazing. Blood wings/stripes? I’m not so sure.
 
I also am of the "You know it when you see it" thought. Nothing wrong with using PT as punishment, but it needs to fit the infraction, be conducted safely, and have a point to it. To echo what TLDR said, something like forced alcohol consumption is always hazing. Same with cutting, branding, or anything else that leaves a permanent scar/mark intentionally.
 
This article was written by Jarred Taylor, a member of the Drinkin' Bros / Article 15 Clothing team and former TACP. I thought it was well-written and well-argued.

So what is "hazing" to you?

A lack of a teachable moment. Sadism, like TLDR20 said. Doing something just to do it. Breaking down without building back up.

Those are all thoughts that come to mind. However I completely agree with the "its like defining art" metaphor.

I have seen a lot of "hazing" in my time, and there is a VERY fine line between achieving a purpose, and just doing it because someone did it to you.

And to touch on the forced alcohol consumption...the most idiotic, purposeless, criminal bs imaginable.
 
We have a couple of threads on hazing, so this wins the update. There's a new DoD Instruction out, 1020.03, dated Feb. 8. Going through the list, I was hazed and want to know where's my disability. Pay me!

3.5. HAZING. A form of harassment that includes conduct through which Service members or DoD employees, without a proper military or other governmental purpose but with a nexus to military Service, physically or psychologically injures or creates a risk of physical or psychological injury to Service members for the purpose of: initiation into, admission into, affiliation with, change in status or position within, or a condition for continued membership in any military or DoD civilian organization. Hazing can be conducted through the use of electronic devices or communications, and by other means including social media, as well as in person.

a. Hazing is evaluated by a reasonable person standard and includes, but is not limited to, the following when performed without a proper military or other governmental purpose:

(1) Any form of initiation or congratulatory act that involves physically striking another person in any manner or threatening to do the same;
(2) Pressing any object into another person’s skin, regardless of whether it pierces the skin, such as “pinning” or “tacking on” of rank insignia, aviator wings, jump wings, diver insignia, badges, medals, or any other object;
(3) Oral or written berating of another person with the purpose of belittling or humiliating;
(4) Encouraging another person to engage in illegal, harmful, demeaning or dangerous acts;
(5) Playing abusive or malicious tricks;
(6) Branding, handcuffing, duct taping, tattooing, shaving, greasing, or painting another person;
(7) Subjecting another person to excessive or abusive use of water:
(8) Forcing another person to consume food, alcohol, drugs, or any other substance; and
(9) Soliciting, coercing, or knowingly permitting another person to solicit or coerce acts of hazing.
 
...3.5. HAZING. A form of harassment... that...psychologically injures ...

Oh God, more wait time at the VA. So it is written, so it shall be done.

Wait until the SSD/VA benefit specialists at your local ambulance-chaser firm (Dewey, Cheatum & Howe)* get hold of 1020.03.



*Ref: The Three Stooges
 
I won’t reveal camradic ceremonies for achievements due to the possibility of incrimination or death🌝
 
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