Charlie Kirk shooting -

ThunderHorse said:
Ok, first remove suicides, then remove gang violence. What becomes the number?

https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/motor-vehicle/historical-fatality-trends/deaths-and-rates/

So I'm really struggling to understand your posts. Other than it seems that you remain incredibly liberal even when logic says those aren't your people. Which I suppose is fine and we are diametrically opposed.

If you believe that we should be a free people, then you accept that there will be gun deaths. Again that wasn't his point, he said that there are ways to reduce gun deaths. That requires more armed security. Etc.

Leading causes of death in the US:

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You can’t choose what to remove, gun deaths are gun deaths.

I am not super liberal. I was fairly liberal before but like Elon the needle moved too far to the left for me to stay on board. I don’t like President Trump. I think that is pretty clear. I think he is an idiot. I voted for McCain in 2008, and would have voted for a Republican in the most recent election if it wasn’t Trump.

You would be hard pressed to find an example of me being anti gun, here or anywhere else. I am a firearm owner, and believe fully in my 2A rights. I do however admit that we have a severe issue with gun violence, that disproportionately affects kids.
 
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I've been thinking about this and about how "big" this was. Yeah, this is up there with the assassination of MLK and RFK. The impact will be massive. But there won't be a violent response from us, we are not of that ilk. We will probably just take it as we have and the people who actually foment violence will go unpunished and we will have more assassinations of conservative thought leaders.
 
ThunderHorse said:
I've been thinking about this and about how "big" this was. Yeah, this is up there with the assassination of MLK and RFK. The impact will be massive. But there won't be a violent response from us, we are not of that ilk. We will probably just take it as we have and the people who actually foment violence will go unpunished and we will have more assassinations of conservative thought leaders.
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Now is not the time to being complacent. They are making lists of whom to assassinate next.

After Kirk assassination, political left social media posts list 'next' targets
 
The Quartermaster said:
Now is not the time to being complacent. They are making lists of whom to assassinate next.

After Kirk assassination, political left social media posts list 'next' targets
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The on campus Left has already provided a violent response to their own violence. They have attempted to deflect. They are disrupting if not attacking vigils. Their control of media institutions is continuously trying to paint Kirk as something he wasn't. The elected left is trying to obfuscate. Unlike @amlove21 I'm not sure conservatives actually have a switch, we are built on morals driven mostly from our faith. The left, even those who claim to be of faith have no morality driven from their faith. It is driven from their ideology and if you are not a leftists you are guilty of wrong think. I do agree you with him that they use violence as a dial.

We need to mobilize at the ballot box and bury these people how Kirk tried to. Through discourse and election.
 
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ThunderHorse said:
The on campus Left has already provided a violent response to their violence. They have attempted to deflect. They are disrupting if not attacking vigils. Their control of media institutions is continuously trying to paint Kirk as something he wasn't. The elected left is trying to obfuscate. Unlike @amlove21 I'm not sure conservatives actually have a switch, we are built on morals driven mostly from our faith. The left, even those who claim to be of faith have no morality driven from their faith. It is driven from their ideology and if you are not a leftists you are guilty of wrong think. I do agree you with him that they use violence as a dial.

We need to mobilize at the ballot box and bury these people how Kirk tried to. Through discourse and election.
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Still zero excuse to be complacent, they still want us dead and are very much a serious threat to this nation and all it stands and has stood for. You want discourse? Go for it. But they are not your friends and they still want us all dead. DEAD.
 
The Quartermaster said:
Still zero excuse to be complacent, they still want us dead and are very much a serious threat to this nation and all it stands and has stood for. You want discourse? Go for it. But they are not your friends and they still want us all dead. DEAD.
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No argument from me on the bolded. Which is why I have issues with certain folks in this thread trying whataboutery. The people they vote for clearly hate them and yet they still vote that way. Which I find odd.

At the end of the day this guy was assassinated because he dared speak his Christian values, live his Christian life. Was he a racist? No. But they called him one. Was he a Nazi? No. But they called him one.

Encouraging women to marry and have children is becoming a weird thing today because the left has encouraged men and women to not only not marry, but not have children. They have brainwashed their people to thinking our world is not the place they want their children to grow up in...so we just stop. And our fertility rates just plummet. Heck this programming seeps into conservatives, my wife and I chose to get married late because I wanted to be more stable with employment than I was when I got out of the Army.

I guess what I'm saying is that conservatives by and large have true morality. It is conservatives who turn the other cheek. It is conservative who attempt exchange of ideas. The Democrats and Liberals don't do that, they use violence as a dial until we shut up.
 
The left, I believe, runs itself like a crime family they love to insulate themselves.

The top guys, the Bidens and Obamas, always play the political savvy card the “oh, we condemn the rioting, the violence, etc.” routine. But of course, they never outright tell their people to stop what they’re doing. To me, it’s basically a shield so their followers can say, “See, we condemn the rioting,” while the violent acts continue. Then the minions AOC and her ilk shift blame anywhere but themselves, often toward conservatives. Meanwhile, the left leaning media pumps out opinion pieces supporting the minions’ talking points and praising the leadership’s so called “condemnations” of violence, painting them as advocates for peace.

And finally, you have the lower level: the perpetual online Antifa, Marxist-loving leftists. These are the ones who actually act and spread the left’s true message and agenda. Are they told to stop? Do the Democrat leaders take real action to stop them? Nope. They let them run around doing what they want done.

Someone once told me a “Kirk” could never rise on the left because they don’t spread hate and always talk with facts. After five minutes of laughter, I told her first, the left is full of hate. Spend just a few minutes with the younger ones and you’ll see it. Second, the left does spread it they just prefer 100 people with 10 followers each all repeating the same message over 1 person with 10,000 followers. That way they can keep up their hypocrisy.
 
Devildoc said:
They held vigils and marches in Australia. Over a million people participated in a march in London. There are signs up in France and Italy. You can't be serious if you say this isn't becoming a movement.
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This is good. There are lot of people who didn't know who Charlie Kirk was and now they do. But its not just about CK, its bigger than that.
 
They'll still call the rest of the world racist rather than to admit to themselves that they're still on the wrong side of life right now. I mean there are Asian countries mourning for him as well but let's continue to screech that it's only white people.
 
The Quartermaster said:
They'll still call the rest of the world racist rather than to admit to themselves that they're still on the wrong side of life right now. I mean there are Asian countries mourning for him as well but let's continue to screech that it's only white people.
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To be fair, the shooter is just one nutbag. He's likely a left- winger considering he has a trans partner and hates people like Charlie Kirk. So, by default, this guy has exposed how deep the craziness is from left to people who didn't fully get it until now.
 

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