Cyber Attacks, Act of war and the equivalence..

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Google foil hackers attack against US politics, soldiers, journalists and activists of dissense in china.
Google said "the attack started from China".... The White House "Not affected members of U.S. Gov.."

New York, June 1, 2011 - A flurry of attacks from Chinese hackers took aim at the Gmaile-mail accounts of senior U.S. politicians and Asian countries including South Korea,journalists, soldiers and activists from the Dissent China.

Said on Google, saying that the attack of the hacker apparently left from Jinan. Thecompany ensures that the hacking was foiled. In recent months, the American software giant had a first time Chinese hackers accused of attacking its servers in China.

The White House, however, made ​​it known that "has no reason to believe that the government's e-mail accounts have been hacked" during the attacks. Tommy Vietor, a spokesman for the White House, said that the U.S. administration has decided to launch an investigation. "We are reviewing the reports, and we are trying to establish the facts, "said Vietor.

And Now?... what will do Obama?... In rome today were Biden and Jinping(vice-president of china)... maybe to talking about it...LOL
 

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Open a dam and flood a region, crash a plane, cause a POL facility to explode, etc.
 

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Lethal Cyber effects?
From the article:
There is a chapter titled "Cyber Operations" in DOD's first-ever "Law of War Manual," published in June. The section reflects the department's' growing transparency surrounding cyberwarfare, national security legal experts say. Less than three years ago, most activities beyond defensive maneuvers were classified.

The manual lays out three sample actions the Pentagon deems uses of force in cyberspace: "trigger a nuclear plant meltdown; open a dam above a populated area, causing destruction; or disable air traffic control services, resulting in airplane crashes."

Most are probably familiar with Stuxnet and the offensive possibilities/capabilities it demonstrated. In many ways cyber is the new "atomic bomb"; it's a new leap forward in warfare. Even small nation states and potentially even small private groups can weild devestating power. Ex. just consider the NE power outage in 2003. That was just a bug. What could a well placed cyber attack do? Is it out of the realm of possibility to think numerous nations have offensive code already deployed in a variety of data center types throughout the world, just waiting for the command?

On a similiar note, it's interesting Nothrup Grumman is advertising their development of offensive cyber capabilites (although they don't mention the lethal components):
 

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In a zero CDE, zero CIVCAS environment...dream the fuck on.

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Killing civilians as collateral is one thing, killing them as part of the plan is another.
WW II was the last time either side shrugged it's shoulders over civilian deaths.
We'd have to be getting over run before it would be considered, and liberals would still argue against it.
 

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Tell that to ISIL, or the Muslim Brotherhood...
Not recognised states.
We could add the Viet Cong, Hamas, Serbs, Bosniacs, etc; but Western/Civilized Countries try to avoid civilian deaths.
We lose wars because many don't understand that wars are not civil events.
 

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We had some boffin here recently for a bit of jaw jaw. They were talking plausibly of a zero day attack from someone. How far off it was wasn't outlined
We see zero day attacks on pretty regular basis. Stuxnet exploited multiple zero day vulnerabilities. Sony's attack utilized a zero day vulnerability. Java has served as an attack vector multiple times. Zero-days are even sold on the black market. The question is when we get hit with one that is truly crippling to critical infrastructure or something similar.
 

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In a zero CDE, zero CIVCAS environment...dream the fuck on.
Agree. The ethical/moral component present a roadblock for us but not necessarily for our adversaries. Are we likely to cause a nuclear reactor meltdown? No but an organization such as ISIS or another more technically advanced group/country may not hold the same restraint when it comes to us.

This presents the real challenge. It's true asymmetric warfare and the technology threshold required to become a legitimate threat is significant lower than it is for something such as NBC development. Now, rather than looking at nation states and larger better organized terror groups, we must consider and address threats from significantly smaller but technically capable organizations, such as organized crime groups in former Soviet states.
 

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Languages are the new WMD. Let's invade every nation with a computer. Dick Cheney approves.
 

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Agree. The ethical/moral component present a roadblock for us but not necessarily for our adversaries. Are we likely to cause a nuclear reactor meltdown? No but an organization such as ISIS or another more technically advanced group/country may not hold the same restraint when it comes to us.

This presents the real challenge. It's true asymmetric warfare and the technology threshold required to become a legitimate threat is significant lower than it is for something such as NBC development. Now, rather than looking at nation states and larger better organized terror groups, we must consider and address threats from significantly smaller but technically capable organizations, such as organized crime groups in former Soviet states.

Are Dae'sh that capable? They're great at SOCMED in situ (with J-DAMs as the last laugh), but does it extend to CW?
 
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