Yes, that David Goggins.
Here's the backstory and current vibe.
Here's the backstory and current vibe.
David Goggins Wants to Be a PJ (Again)
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How many waivers does he need?
All of them? The age waiver thing has been a big sticking point, but he's technically a sister service prior service guy. There is some math they use in that scenario where time served (previous service) isn't counted against your age. If you were in for 10 years, and you're 42, that 10 years gets added to the age limit and voila, you can get in at 51.
Good on him? 51...53-ish when the pipeline's over? E-7 celebrity turned 3 Level with all of the brass watching, maybe fighting to have this guy in their unit? At 53.
"But, Pat Tillman..."
Yeah, nah. Not the same thing, not even close.
Good luck to him. Good luck to his classmates. Good luck to everyone caught up in that hurricane. Anyway, air fryers are amazing, I don't know how we lived without these until now. I feel like my wife and I lost out a bit waiting this long to buy one.
"But, Pat Tillman..."
Yeah, nah. Not the same thing, not even close.
Good luck to him. Good luck to his classmates. Good luck to everyone caught up in that hurricane. Anyway, air fryers are amazing, I don't know how we lived without these until now. I feel like my wife and I lost out a bit waiting this long to buy one.
Devildoc
Verified Military
I watched your video yesterday because I was curious. Not my monkey, not my circus. Now that he's in, if he meets the standard, he meets the standard.
He needs a waiver to come out of retirement, unless he's going Guard or Reserve.
Topkick
Verified Military
I'm pulling for him.
Devildoc
Verified Military
Apparently that is not necessarily the case....
Topkick
Verified Military
Maybe he was granted the waiver? I think its required.
His sustained toughness and motivation is beyond impressive as it's likely not equaled by anybody else.
It's unlikely he will voluntarily request removal from training, so he will get through the required initial skills 3-level awarding training pipeline unless he is involuntarily removed for some legitimate medical or failure to progress satisfactorily in training reason.
The facts concerning him meeting the qualifications to enlist and entry classify into Pararescue are: Age 51-rquires an age waiver, numerous disqualifying chronic medical conditions requiring medical waiver, retired enlisted holding E-7 paygrade and rank with at least a 6-year break in service, and not previous holding and award of a pararescue AFSC of 3-skill level or higher.
The prior service enlistment policy (being retired has no impact in the decision) for entry classification into a not previously awarded and held AFSC is the individual has some needed special skill.
Age waiver must consider maximum age imposing mandatory separation or retirement is 62 years. Thus, most military obligation that can be imposed whether active duty, reserves or Guard is 11 years.
Chronic disqualifying medical conditions requiring waiver are: congenital heart condition known as ASD — atrial septum defect, two heart surgeries, sickle cell trait and plates-screws in leg (knee surgeries).
The waiver approval process involved a risk assessment based upon his projected position (utilization) after completing the required initial 3-level skill training requirement. Those making the decision to approve waivers were not the enlisted PJs.
The actual cause for all the contention stems from his projected position (utilization) not being disclosed. Will he be assigned to a line unit to obtaining and sustaining certified mission ready qualifications and upgrade to 5 and 7 skill level or is he being assigned to a specialized marketing and public affairs-relations position as an active-duty PJ or a retired PJ?
It's unlikely he will voluntarily request removal from training, so he will get through the required initial skills 3-level awarding training pipeline unless he is involuntarily removed for some legitimate medical or failure to progress satisfactorily in training reason.
The facts concerning him meeting the qualifications to enlist and entry classify into Pararescue are: Age 51-rquires an age waiver, numerous disqualifying chronic medical conditions requiring medical waiver, retired enlisted holding E-7 paygrade and rank with at least a 6-year break in service, and not previous holding and award of a pararescue AFSC of 3-skill level or higher.
The prior service enlistment policy (being retired has no impact in the decision) for entry classification into a not previously awarded and held AFSC is the individual has some needed special skill.
Age waiver must consider maximum age imposing mandatory separation or retirement is 62 years. Thus, most military obligation that can be imposed whether active duty, reserves or Guard is 11 years.
Chronic disqualifying medical conditions requiring waiver are: congenital heart condition known as ASD — atrial septum defect, two heart surgeries, sickle cell trait and plates-screws in leg (knee surgeries).
The waiver approval process involved a risk assessment based upon his projected position (utilization) after completing the required initial 3-level skill training requirement. Those making the decision to approve waivers were not the enlisted PJs.
The actual cause for all the contention stems from his projected position (utilization) not being disclosed. Will he be assigned to a line unit to obtaining and sustaining certified mission ready qualifications and upgrade to 5 and 7 skill level or is he being assigned to a specialized marketing and public affairs-relations position as an active-duty PJ or a retired PJ?
The time served math is a correct except there is an imposed must be separated or retired at age 62. As prior service can technically be enlisted for a minimum of 1-year, the age cutoff for prior service is the 61st birthday, which isn't very practical for many reasons.
Age 42 is the cut-off as it allows non-prior service the opportunity to serve 20-years of active-duty service and gain eligibility for a 20-year longevity military retirement.
For retired enlisted reentering active duty as prior service it's the number of years break in service. This because Air Force in particular has an automatic downgrade in skill-level schedule. I'll have to deep dive research to get the specifics but after a 10-year break in service the 7-level is progresses to down grade to 5-level to 3-level.
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Topkick
Verified Military
He's used his passion and fame for purpose. I'm late 50s and can still score high on the old APFT. I FEEL young enough, like I could still serve. so I believe he's still got something to offer. Goggins has inspired a lot of people and I wish him nothing but good.
Devildoc
Verified Military
I am ambivalent about him. I mean, the man had a reputation for not wanting to go outside the wire, and he had teammates who said they would not serve on another team with him. But you have people who sing his praises and that he's a great guy. Who knows. The truth is probably in the middle.
I'm also under no illusion that the Air Force is being benevolent or altruistic. They're gonna ride that horse till it collapses.
I'm sure he can be value-added and can continue to inspire people.
Topkick
Verified Military
I don't know what to believe, seems these guys are always bashing each other. I've heard that he was given a higher rank than he ever actually achieved? If he was, I can't get on board with that.
Prior service rank determined on enlistment is prior service members will maintain current rank if they meet the qualifications outlined in AFI 36-2502, Enlisted Airman Promotion and Demotion Programs, Table 2.1. (T-3) Determine date of rank in accordance with DAFMAN 36-2604, Service Dates and Dates of Rank.
Not seeing his DD-214 I have no certainty of what rank was held at time of retirement. However, info on the internet support Chief Petty Officer (E-7). It would be a serious deviation from policy if he was enlisted in a higher grade and rank than held at time of retirement. If such happened, it just adds to the number of exceptions to policy approvals and medical/age waivers needed for this enlistment to happen.
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Goggins had a calm deployment (never fired his weapon IIRC) and then became non-deployable due to his heart. Can't really hold that against him.
Bigger reason people seemed to not like him is he was an insufferable douche who hated being on a team. If you read his book, it seems like he joined not because he wanted to be a SEAL, but because he wanted to beat the "challenge" of becoming a SEAL. Everything after that is finding the next challenge to prove how he's better than everybody.
I'd be suprised if he's ever an operational PJ, but it's great recruitment for AFSOC.
