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Some light reading for those curious about officer career paths: DA PAM 600-3

Inland cargo transfer company commander/platoon leader/XO.
(i) Watercraft and causeway unit commander/platoon leader/XO.
(j) Seaport operations company commander/platoon leader/XO.
(k) Floating craft maintenance company commander
(m) Rail operations commander/staff officer/platoon leader/XO

How many Transportation Officers get those kind of assignments? O.O I didn't even know the Army had watercraft, I had to google it to believe the fact the Army has amphibious assault ships, even ships that can carry troops with air and amphibious assault abilities like a Navy LCU with Marines. O.O

Are these only in the reserves or national guard or something? Or are these guys also active duty? And when I googled Army Rail Operations, I got a bunch of photos of trains equipped with anti-aircraft guns ww2 style.
 
Jesus, reading through the section for Military Police Officers, they sound like Special Forces or Rangers or something. From securing vital resources, to facilitating security for troop movements. Do actaully get as involved in that stuff as that pamphlet suggests? Or is it embellishing a bit?

What stands out the most is Anti-Terrorist/Force Protection Team positions, and Special Reaction Team positions and schools they are required to attend as they advance in rank. I looked up Military Police Anti-Terrorist/Force Protection Teams, and all that came up were DEA operations in Afghanistan, Columbia, Brazil, and the Phillipines, and some joint operation with Military Police Soldiers from Ft Bragg that worked with Russian Spetznaz in Chechnya. The two photos that had pics of them all the MPs had faces covered with no patches on their uniforms, or names. And their helmets were solid black without any fabric covering them and wierd looking M4s, like the barrels were cut and turned into "miniature" versions.

I looked into Military Police Special Reaction Teams, and got articles of MP SRT snipers wiping out high valued targets in Kandahar Afghanistan, and wiping out drug storage and creation facilities with the DEA. I didn't even know the DEA even goes to Afghanistan until now. Apparently Military Police Special Reaction Teams also fight alongside BORAT in the Phillipines, and Sudan. No photos or anything other than that, and then a link talking about them being trained for Counter-Drug Operations.

If I'm understanding the terms you guys seem to say a lot on this website, military police sound high speed as hell.

The Air Force also seems to have a special operations military police battalion, the 820th Security Forces Group, looking into them specifically, I've found that they have army military police detatchments (whatever that is, I'll look up what that is later) configured as Anti-Terrorist Teams, and Special Reaction teams, in addition to the 820ths Special Reaction Teams, Anti Terrorist Teams, and whatever the heck a Counter-Drug Target Interdiction Teams are. I'm guessing military police officers get into the Air Force, too?

And it seems Navy Master At Arms work for or with the Army too, because they seem to have something called "Maritime Raider Force" which from what I've gathered and read so far, are in charge of working with Navy Master at Arms Special Reaction teams and Boarding Teams to capture and secure foreign vessels. They also seem to have a "detatchment" of Anti-Terrorist Teams, and Special Reaction Teams.

When reading that, the Navy Master at Arms and Army Military Police they get that is apart of their units sound more like Navy SEALs or something. And it seems Military Police Officers are the ones that get to go to those schools? So do Enlisted Military Police do as well? I've found Marine MIlitary Police can also attend the same schools, and attend a military police "Operations Target Interdiction Course" to become snipers on their Anti-Terrorist teams? So are those only allowed for Marine Military Police? or Can Army Military Police do that school too?

That pamphlet has opened up an entire world of the military I never knew existed.
 
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If you have any self respect or self esteem you'll stay away from MP/ Security Forces. For every really cool assignment there are dozens and dozens that are garbage. For every good guy or gal I've met in those fields I've worked or interacted with dozens and dozens of total ass clowns. Those career fields have a poisonous environment. Is the literature correct? It is. Does it vastly overstate the cool factor? You have no idea....
 
If you have any self respect or self esteem you'll stay away from MP/ Security Forces. For every really cool assignment there are dozens and dozens that are garbage. For every good guy or gal I've met in those fields I've worked or interacted with dozens and dozens of total ass clowns. Those career fields have a poisonous environment. Is the literature correct? It is. Does it vastly overstate the cool factor? You have no idea....
X100.
 
To add on to what FF said, you also need to learn how to read what it's not telling you. The literature you're reading makes every job sound like the coolest shit ever...gee, I wonder why??
Speaking strictly about Navy MA, you're not gonna be going out raiding villages/kicking in doors. You'll be working security at a brig or a base somewhere. You'll be checking IDs, watching bad guys rot in a cell, etc... They have a 3 years CONUS/3 years OCONUS rotation. The Command MA on my ship has been everywhere, this is his first ship. He said he loved being an MA until he got here.
 
I'm still in shock the Army has Amphibious Landing Craft. I've discovered that during the conflicts of Desert Storm, the Army conducted beach landings alongisde the USMC, dropping off several companies of Infantry and Tanks. One LCU delivered a payload of Rangers, history I never knew until coming to these forums. So Omaha wasn't the last amphibious assault the Army's done. During Hurricane Katrina, Soldiers were deployed along the coasts during Martial Law, and the Army has been fighting pirates across southern and eastern africa utilizing Amphibious Assault ships to take their fights to the shores.

Mind completely fucken blown. O.O And the Army has Landing Craft Modified as forward hospitals! I've spent literally the past 12 hours reading about Army Amphibious ships, their jobs, and so fourth. Mind totally blown. In Haiti entire regions of the Island were secured by Soldiers coming in from the beaches before airborne troops were anywhere near it, or the Marines. THey got there by landing craft before any other means.

That, is incredible.

And Marauder, either way, I plan to; I know how it feels to work under people who make it consistently clear that you're disposable, and so fourth. I never treat my own subordinates at my current job like that, and I have no plans to ever do that when I get in.
 
I also discovered that a contingent of Rangers and regular Infantrymen landed on the beaches of Panama to secure the water ways/prevent sabotage. And full scale landings took place across the Korean Coastline, and the Vietnam Coastline, and US Army Infantrymen and a Cavalry Squadron landed on the beaches of Somalia back in 1993, they hit/secured the beaches before any other UN forces went in, to secure a path of travel. This is history I never knew about had I not seen that pamphlet to look more into it. Absolutely incredible, OH, and the Army is building an LHA class ship for future operations in the Pacific, it's going to house Army Blackhawks, and Apaches, several types of LCUs, and space to fit several companies of ground troops.

I guess the Army is going to be giving the USMC competition in their backyard? This is just amazing.

Do ROTC students get chances to train with, or check out these kinds of units?
 
I'm going to be speaking to an Army Reserve Recruiter about SMP and their Landing Craft Utility units here in Seattle, I have discovered they have an Amphibious Assault Ship, and several LCUs in the port of Seattle under the Army Reserve. And there are 82 Reserve component LCUs Companies across the US and Peurto Rico, and the Active Duty Army has 30. Between Ft. Hood, some naval stations in Virginia and Rhode Island, and California and then Several in Italy, and Japan.

That is just incredible, the Army has a Navy LMFAO
 
I'm still in shock the Army has Amphibious Landing Craft. I've discovered that during the conflicts of Desert Storm, the Army conducted beach landings alongisde the USMC, dropping off several companies of Infantry and Tanks. One LCU delivered a payload of Rangers, history I never knew until coming to these forums. So Omaha wasn't the last amphibious assault the Army's done. During Hurricane Katrina, Soldiers were deployed along the coasts during Martial Law, and the Army has been fighting pirates across southern and eastern africa utilizing Amphibious Assault ships to take their fights to the shores.

Mind completely fucken blown. O.O And the Army has Landing Craft Modified as forward hospitals! I've spent literally the past 12 hours reading about Army Amphibious ships, their jobs, and so fourth. Mind totally blown. In Haiti entire regions of the Island were secured by Soldiers coming in from the beaches before airborne troops were anywhere near it, or the Marines. THey got there by landing craft before any other means.

That, is incredible.


The Army has more watercraft than any other branch of service.
 
So as far as figures:
The US Army has more aircraft than any one branch of military, (or USMC and Navy combined), and also has more aircraft than any other military service in the world. However, in sheer number of ROTARY WING aircraft specifically, because the Army also fields a force of fixed wing aircraft of a non-UAV nature. (even greater shocker) the Taiwan Army has the largest amount of helicopters overall, but with fixed wing, and rotary aircraft combined, the US Army has more aircraft than any other organization anywhere on the globe. Including more aircraft per ground vehicle ratio's there is no military on the planet that has as many aircraft to ground vehicles.

As far as figures go, the Army has more watercraft than any branch of the military. Combined there are more "ships" in the Army than the Navy and Coast Guard combined, ironically.

@SkrewzLoose I have thought of the Navy actually, for their Boatswans Mate MOS, but from what I"m finding, you have to be an E6 to take control of, or be assigned to an LCAC, or a Navy LCU (Navy has the same exact type of Landing Craft the Army has)

Although what I've also found looking into it, what an Electronics Technician, Operations Specialist, and Boatswans Mate would do on a Navel LCU, an Army 88K (Watercraft Operator) performs all the duties combined. Which would offer a more universal growth. As well as promotional growth to command a veseel as a Warrant Officer, Army also assigns a 68W (Medic) to every Watercraft Crew in some cases that 68W may be a 38B2W2 (or 38B2W4) depending on the mission of the landing craft, such as what I'm finding the operations that have taken places across the african coastlines, and as well as waterways in Yemen, which until this morning I had no idea the Army was conducting what are essentially river raids and other combat operations across the country, alongside the Marine Corps, and to think all we ever hear about is Afghanistan this, Afghanistan that, when we have had more than one war going on for apparently over the past decade. The Army also has medical evacuation modified landing craft as a grand collection point for wounded to be sent to for an Army Forward Surgical Team to handle before going underway. Although incredibly doubtful we will have a mass conflict that would require that, but still.

Thoughts of the Navy aren't gone, just overall, my research the past few days into the Navy aren't nearly as much as my research into the Army the past few days. Of course I'd want more of an base of education towards either branches, would rather make an informed decision over a hasty one.

One thing I've also discovered, is that in the Navy, they have Special Boat Crews as their own seperate MOS from the Boastwanes mate, while in the Army, a Watercraft Crewman, although at higher rank, from the rank of E6 and above can be assigned to an Army Special War Group, and serve on an US Army Special Boat Team under SOCOM. I'm not sure what kind of smaller craft they use compared to the SWCC, but unlike SWCC the Army speaks very, very little of them at all.

Found a blog post from 2008 from a Staff Sergeant who had gained assignment to one speaking of the support and raids with a SOF unit he left un named to wipe out training camps and wipe out what he called in his blog "High Valued Targets" but never left any names or where the attacks took place, just info on the "roar" of twin .50 cals, and chainguns vaporizing the enemy before the SOF unit he was carrying dived into the water and hit the shores, while his boat and three others dropped their teams and provided cover. What he describes was a "total wargasm" which later goes on how he pissed himself halfway through the engagement because he had not time to let it out to pee in the river. (understandably)

Other than that blog, just mentions here and there for 88Ks at the 3-level assignments, after somekind of selection program 88Ks, 88Ls, and 880A1s can get assigned to a Special Boat Team under the Army Special War Group. outside of those I cannot find anything at all about them.
 
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