Executive Authority in Prosecutorial Discretion

[Brill]

Some interesting reading as we transitioned to a monarchy...in the span of 10 minutes that the MSM wouldn't broadcast.

http://www.law.yale.edu/documents/pdf/conference/ILR13_CBRebeccaKrauss.pdf

http://www2.law.mercer.edu/lawreview/getfile.cfm?file=48312.pdf

I think the GOP will take on the battle cry "We'll see ya in court!"

 

[BloodStripe]

It should be relatively easy to add this over-reach of power onto the existing lawsuit for over reach of powers on the Obamacare delay.

 

[TLDR20]

We became a monarchy? I wasn't aware that the little Obama kids were in line for the throne. Here I thought that in just 2 years POTUS would be someone completely new. And elected..? Maybe I'm just on crack.

 

[Scotth]

I will be surprised if the case doesn't get dismissed outright. At least the major points of the lawsuit but nobody has seen the actual lawsuit.

Implementation of laws falls to the executive branch.

I think the court is going to say it's a political fight and not something for us to get involved in.

If you want something else done for O-care pass a law.

 

[Centermass]

It would be nice if we could fix the VA first before jumping head long into spending billions of dollars to fix and document illegal immigrants.

And FWIW, from my measly knowledge of fixing things, I learned long ago, when you have a leaky faucet, before you do anything else, you have to shut off the water supply before you attempt to fix it. Otherwise, you'll have a mess. You could probably apply the same to immigration reform. Turn off the supply and secure that first, then take care of addressing the leak.

Then again, what do I know?

 

[BloodStripe]

We became a monarchy? I wasn't aware that the little Obama kids were in line for the throne. Here I thought that in just 2 years POTUS would be someone completely new. And elected..? Maybe I'm just on crack.

I believe @lindy was referencing this article by Sen. Ted Cruz

http://www.politico.com/magazine/st...ama-is-not-a-monarch-113028.html#.VG-ui_nF_wo

 

[Centermass]

Besides him (POTUS) ticking off the obvious, I would think that the majority of those who immigrated here legally and gained citizenship by paying their dues and enduring the process, are as well.

And understandably as well.

 

[Marine0311]

I don't understand the point of this? We get to elect a new President in 2 years.

 

[BloodStripe]

This forces the Republican party to act. The EO will be in effect for three years. After that it goes away. Obama is taking action while not making a long the complete overhaul. Its very Obama like,

 

[Salt USMC]

From the Cruz article:

President Obama will no doubt threaten a shutdown—that seems to be the one card he repeatedly plays

:-/

 

[TLDR20]

From the Cruz article:

:-/

Selective memory.

 

[Brill]

Monarchy:

1. a state or nation in which the supreme power is actually or nominally lodged in a monarch.
2. supreme power or sovereignty held by a single person.

"The report then featured a February 2013 clip of the President admitting, "I'm the President of the United States. I'm not the emperor of the United States. My job is to execute laws that are passed."

"On January 31, 2013, he talked to Univision and said, "I’m not a king. I am the head of the executive branch of government. I’m required to follow the law."

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/scott-...ck-abc-grills-obama-executive-order-flip-flop

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...sing-executive-action-on-illegal-immigration/

If one says it is X because it is not Y, but then later it turns out that it is in fact Y, would that not mean that it was never X?:wall:

If you don't like my posts, pass a bill (with Benjamin Franklin on the front to my paypal account). I don't mind if you agree but I do enjoy a spirited debate.

 

[TLDR20]

Monarchy:

1. a state or nation in which the supreme power is actually or nominally lodged in a monarch.
2. supreme power or sovereignty held by a single person.

"The report then featured a February 2013 clip of the President admitting, "I'm the President of the United States. I'm not the emperor of the United States. My job is to execute laws that are passed."

"On January 31, 2013, he talked to Univision and said, "I’m not a king. I am the head of the executive branch of government. I’m required to follow the law."

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/scott-...ck-abc-grills-obama-executive-order-flip-flop

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...sing-executive-action-on-illegal-immigration/

If one says it is X because it is not Y, but then later it turns out that it is in fact Y, would that not mean that it was never X?:wall:

If you don't like my posts, pass a bill (with Benjamin Franklin on the front to my paypal account). I don't mind if you agree but I do enjoy a spirited debate.

So executive orders =monarchy? Slippery slope there, I am 100% sure I can find hundreds of examples of a dozen of other presidents taking executive action.

Some estimates range to 50,000 executive orders....http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/data/orders.php

 

[TLDR20]

I am personally against this latest one though, don't get me wrong, but I would prefer to see the actual legality of it than call us a monarchy or saying POTUS is acting all king like. I think that is a pretty lame argument

 

[Brill]

So executive orders =monarchy? Slippery slope there, I am 100% sure I can find hundreds of examples of a dozen of other presidents taking executive action.

Some estimates range to 50,000 executive orders....http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/data/orders.php

No, just the EOs that instruct Federal agencies to disregard laws. Where's the oversight?

Big O instructs an agency, with consent of a federal court and notifies Congress, to conduct bulk data collection and the citizens go ape shit.

For the record, POTUS said his new law won't apply to criminals, gang members, or terrorists. Uh, were they allowed to stay here PREVIOUSLY?

As mentioned, this will be interesting to follow and demonstrates just how brilliant the founding fathers were in that our disagreements are settled in a court of law and respected. In Burkino Faso, the MO is decree, coup, and further decree (with foreign intervention mixed in to keep things lively).

 

[Brill]

I am personally against this latest one though, don't get me wrong, but I would prefer to see the actual legality of it than call us a monarchy or saying POTUS is acting all king like. I think that is a pretty lame argument

100% agree except for the gimp ref. A torn calf hurts you know!

 

[compforce]

I read this one line zinger somewhere... What if the next Republican POTUS decides not to prosecute the Clean Air Act? How would the democrats feel about it? It's a slippery slope when the President steps far over the line that has been previously drawn.

Actually, I kinda like the way this has gone down. He's requiring them to come forward and say that they entered the country illegally AND REGISTER as such. What if the next president then rescinds the order and we suddenly have a list of all the illegals and can round them up and deport them. *Poof* 5 Million (nearly half) of our illegal population is gone.

I know it will never actually get there, the next step is for them to say "Oh, the poor formerly undocumented families...the children need healthcare...think of the children" and they take another giant step towards citizenship. Then it will be "Oh the poor families, they can't survive on the wages they are making, they need food stamps...think of the children". Then it will be "Oh the poor families, we need to raise the minimum wage so they can survive...think of the poor children". The democrat goal is to have them all eligible to vote by 2016 or 2020 if Hillary wins.

I wonder if the inner city mobs realize that this drops 5 million more people at the bottom end of the labor pool. If someone thinks they are trapped among the poor now, just wait until this new labor force hits.

It's not just the poor either. He also deliberately recruits immigrant STEM workers (Science, Technology, Engineering and Math). He says that there is a shortage of these workers in the US. The fact is that only about 25% of recent graduates in these disciplines are employed in a STEM field. (edited to correct the number and cite my source: http://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2014/cb14-130.html#)

Providing portable work authorization for high-skilled workers awaiting LPR status and their spouses. Under the current system, employees with approved LPR applications often wait many years for their visa to become available. DHS will make regulatory changes to allow these workers to move or change jobs more easily. DHS is finalizing new rules to give certain H-1B spouses employment authorization as long as the H-1B spouse has an approved LPR application.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press...t-immigration-accountability-executive-action

Here's an article on the STEM fallacy:
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2014/09/15/stem-graduates-cant-find-jobs

All I have to say is that the Boy Scout motto is a good rule to follow about now. It's about to be a bumpy ride.

 

[Brill]

What if the next president then rescinds the order and we suddenly have a list of all the illegals and can round them up and deport them. *Poof* 5 Million (nearly half) of our illegal population is gone.

Or in the summer, EO grants amnesty...and *poof* 5 million new registered Democrats!

There was a talking head last night that claimed that had POTUS done this weeks ago, Colorado and Florida would have gone (stayed?) blue.

 

[compforce]

Or in the summer, EO grants amnesty...and *poof* 5 million new registered Democrats!

There was a talking head last night that claimed that had POTUS done this weeks ago, Colorado and Florida would have gone (stayed?) blue.

Georgia also...

Fortunately EO can't grant true amnesty. Expect to see a flurry of activity during the Senate's lame duck session. They'll rewrite a bunch of bills that are sitting on Harry Reid's desk just like they did with the Veteran's Housing Act which is now known as Obamacare. They'll make "non-substantial changes" and pass them through the Senate then drop em back on the House for reconciliation, forcing the GOP led House to defend why they are not passing those bills.

 

[DA SWO]

Republicans have been handed a gold-egg laying goose, and they are now planning a Bar-B-Que.

Give the bamster his EO, then pass a law mandating a minimum 10% withholding tax. Everyone who works gets money taken out.
You can only claim dependents in the US, no 17 kids in Honduras.
1% international money transfer tax

The illegals have to prove they have lived and worked here; awesome, as they will have to show whose identity they stole, those SS taxes go the the ID victims account, and the immigrant stolen id gets posted online, enabling the id fraud victim to sue for any refunds denied by the IRS.

Win-win.