Executive Authority in Prosecutorial Discretion

[pardus]

I'm not even reading any of these articles, and I laugh at the ignorance of Americans when it comes to monarchy and the presidency and the powers held by both. I will tell you all now, unequivocally, that the POTUS has immensely more power and authority than Queen Elizabeth (for example) does.

It would be nice if we could fix the VA first before jumping head long into spending billions of dollars to fix and document illegal immigrants.

And FWIW, from my measly knowledge of fixing things, I learned long ago, when you have a leaky faucet, before you do anything else, you have to shut off the water supply before you attempt to fix it. Otherwise, you'll have a mess. You could probably apply the same to immigration reform. Turn off the supply and secure that first, then take care of addressing the leak.

Then again, what do I know?

The basic tenents of COIN.

Besides him (POTUS) ticking off the obvious, I would think that the majority of those who immigrated here legally and gained citizenship by paying their dues and enduring the process, are as well.

And understandably as well.

If those illegals are let in on a free ride then I want my money back for the years of shit I had to endure. The federal govt owes me tens of thousands of dollars, or I'll jihad their ass's.

 

[Totentanz]

If those illegals are let in on a free ride then I want my money back for the years of shit I had to endure. The federal govt owes me tens of thousands of dollars, or I'll jihad their ass's.

I was actually having this exact thought on the way in to work this morning - if those who've stood in line, paid the fees, jumped through the hoops, taken the time off work, et al. would have a basis for a class-action suit for following the rules set forth by DHS and State. It's a LONG shot (read: pretty much a pipe dream), but I think on a moral basis there's a lot of merit in what you've said - we're going to charge and harass those who do things the right way, but give free pass (literally) to those who think they're above the rest?

 

[pardus]

I was actually having this exact thought on the way in to work this morning - if those who've stood in line, paid the fees, jumped through the hoops, taken the time off work, et al. would have a basis for a class-action suit for following the rules set forth by DHS and State. It's a LONG shot (read: pretty much a pipe dream), but I think on a moral basis there's a lot of merit in what you've said - we're going to charge and harass those who do things the right way, but give free pass (literally) to those who think they're above the rest?

I will forever long for the day that I can beat to death with my bare hands, the INS/CIS cunt that laughed in my face and made me actually beg, for a visa to visit my dying father.

I will NEVER forget or forgive that!

 

[Marine0311]

I don't agree with what is going on?

 

[Centermass]

I don't agree with what is going on?

All right Marine. Are you:

1. Asking a question?

2. Making a statement?

3. Unsure how to structure your sentence?

4. Keeping all of us in suspense with an ambiguous post?

 

[pardus]

All right Marine. Are you:

1. Asking a question?

2. Making a statement?

3. Unsure how to structure your sentence?

4. Keeping all of us in suspense with an ambiguous post?

Be gentle, as a Marine, speaking, let alone reading comprehension, is a huge step in their evolution..

 

[Scotth]

No, just the EOs that instruct Federal agencies to disregard laws. Where's the oversight?

Big O instructs an agency, with consent of a federal court and notifies Congress, to conduct bulk data collection and the citizens go ape shit.

For the record, POTUS said his new law won't apply to criminals, gang members, or terrorists. Uh, were they allowed to stay here PREVIOUSLY?

As mentioned, this will be interesting to follow and demonstrates just how brilliant the founding fathers were in that our disagreements are settled in a court of law and respected. In Burkino Faso, the MO is decree, coup, and further decree (with foreign intervention mixed in to keep things lively).

All the data collection started long before Obama came into office. Blame Obama for not ending it if you must. But over the next two years the Republican controlled congress is going to do nothing about the programs they created. What will be interesting is what Rand does in the lead up to 2016 about the NSA. Who does he play to the Libertarian's or the national defense hardline Republicans?

It's not a law, it's an Executive Order and it's easy to implement and just as easy to revoke by the next President.

You know that Obama is trolling conservatives right now? He is egging them on to sue him, fight him, impeach him or even more importantly to actually come up with a new immigration law after three decades of whining about it and doing nothing.

Obama pretty much copied Bush Sr action in '90. The Senate passed a Family Fairness act in '89 by a margin of 81-17. The House wouldn't act so Bush Sr wrote an EO that protected 40% of the illegals at the time. It's funny that Obama did the same thing and the same percentage.

In July 1989, the Senate moved to protect a bigger group—all spouses and children of those who legalized under IRCA. The Senate passed legislation 81-17 that prohibited the administration from deporting family members of immigrants in the process of legalizing and directed officials to grant them work authorization. The House failed to act on the Senate’s bill.

George Bush Sr. then responded in February 1990 by administratively implementing the Senate bill’s provisions himself. As Bush’s INS Commissioner, Gene McNary, stated: “It is vital that we enforce the law against illegal entry. However, we can enforce the law humanely. To split families encourages further violations of the law as they reunite.” Under Bush’s “family fairness” policy, applicants had to meet certain criteria, and reapply to the INS every year for extensions.
The Bush administration anticipated its family fairness program could help enormous numbers of immigrants—up to 1.5 million family members, which amounted to over 40 percent of the 3.5 million unauthorized immigrants in the U.S. at the time.

http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-b...an-and-ghw-bush-took-bold-executive-action-on

It wasn't a mistake that the Republicans filed their lawsuit after Obama announced his immigration EO and it wasn't included in the lawsuit.

 

[Centermass]

What part of securing our borders first, then deal with immigration do you not understand Scott?

As for your defense of your beloved, sure, he can make an EO. But you know what's shady? The timing of it, and how he's going about it. Wouldn't do it before the elections for fear of getting hammered at the polls. And when he got hammered at the polls and his ass handed to him, he knew he couldn't wait until the new congress was sworn in and winds up pulling this.

He needs to be more worried about Gruber and all the 30,000 lost Lois Lerner e mails just recovered. I hope his pucker factor just multiplied 10 fold.

 

[Marine0311]

All right Marine. Are you:

1. Asking a question?

2. Making a statement?

3. Unsure how to structure your sentence?

4. Keeping all of us in suspense with an ambiguous post?

What exactly is the President trying to do?

 

[Scotth]

What part of securing our borders first, then deal with immigration do you not understand Scott?

As for your defense of your beloved, sure, he can make an EO. But you know what's shady? The timing of it, and how he's going about it. Wouldn't do it before the elections for fear of getting hammered at the polls. And when he got hammered at the polls and his ass handed to him, he knew he couldn't wait until the new congress was sworn in and winds up pulling this.

He needs to be more worried about Gruber and all the 30,000 lost Lois Lerner e mails just recovered. I hope his pucker factor just multiplied 10 fold.

What part of requiring 700 more miles of fencing and doubling the size of Border Portal agents on the southern border were you opposed to, which the Senate immigration bill included? Do you think your going to get a better deal from a Republican Senate? You think we are going to get 800 miles of fence and triple the agents? What happened the last time Republican's controlled congress and immigration came up? Nothing was the result because they couldn't agree amongst themselves. You think that has improved?

You better hope Republicans win back the WH in 2016 or all those illegals protected by the EO will get to become citizens and vote by the time 2020 rolls around. Unlike the Senate bill which had a 13 years track with many milestones to be accomplished.

When did getting half of what you wanted less appealing then doing nothing?

 

[Scotth]

I didn't meet the edit time window so I will finish here.

You're right on why he delayed his announcement on the EO until after the election. The timing after that doesn't matter. He can implement his EO just as easily with the Senate in control by the Democrats as the Republicans. The Republicans can try to block him, good luck getting passed the filibuster and veto. Shut down the government if your think that is a winning strategy.

Good luck if you think Gruber is going to get O-care taken down. The SCOTUS is your only real hope. Even if the SCOTUS does what you hope for, what do you think will happen then? Your side will have broken the government and didn't fix it when you had the chance. You will have taken health insurance away from millions driving up the number of uninsured in the country which will be used against Republicans in 2016. You drive millions with pre-existing conditions to become uninsurable and million of college kids get kicked off their parents plans. How are you going to fix that with out the revenue O-care creates? More unpaid expansions of social welfare programs? We get the national debt to absorb the additional costs of keeping all the good things?

As a professional email administrator, I will bet you a very nice steak dinner, the next time your traveling through Minnesota, that nothing new will turn up in Lois's emails that haven't been already uncovered. You know the IRS has already handed over long ago more than 24,000 Lerner email related to the investigation. Nothing that hasn't already been recreated will show up.

 

[Centermass]

You better hope Republicans win back the WH in 2016 or all those illegals protected by the EO will get to become citizens and vote by the time 2020 rolls around.

Which is EXACTLY what this is all about.

In 1:31, sums up perfectly what is wrong to begin with and where it originates. Let's say one thing and do another...

Video's a bitch, isn't it.....especially when your true character is unveiled because of it.

 

[Brill]

Which is EXACTLY what this is all about.

In 1:31, sums up perfectly what is wrong to begin with and where it originates. Let's say one thing and do another...

Video's a bitch, isn't it.....especially when your true character is unveiled because of it.

He was completely misquoted and all those thoughts were taken out of context. The video is Republican racist misdirection designed to distract voters from the real problems of a broken immigration system that needed to be fixed... right after the Democrats lost control of the Senate.

 

[JBS]

President Obama's activities definitely resemble the same types of cues that make life under other forms of tyranny so reprehensible.

He doesn't wear a crown or carry a sceptre, but he definitely effects large swathes of the economy, the military, and society... just as if he were a monarch or a dictator or autocrat. Sure, he's an elected official, but there are many oppresive Socialist societies that have had elected autocrats. I think it's that he blatantly bypasses known limits to the Executive Branch in ways that are not only mirrors of Republican leaders before him, but - predictably- move well beyond what we've seen so far.

I made this case quite vehemently in other posts here long ago. The reason we care about the little things today- the little Constitutional infractions- is because tomorrow some future President is going to move the goal post. And after that, with each successive leader, erosion of the rights and protections of the individual will erode ever further. With Bush it was detention without due process for American citizen accused of being a terrorist (but not proven in a court of law)- but with Obama it's dropping munitions on them- albeit in foreign soil- without a trial. The next President will push that even further in ways that today are unthinkable, but tomorrow will become the norm.

The cycle of erosion of citizen rights will not end until we stop supporting the guy in the White House just because he's "our guy". If you are in the tank for the POTUS, whoever he is, you are worthless as a citizen of- and for- this country, when it comes to politics. You might as well just fill in all your ballots for the next 20 years and turn them in all at once and cut down the voting lines for everyone else.