SpongeBob*24
Verified Military
Valhalla VFT put out a good vid:
"Fit, Not Fat:" making the US military's standards high again
- Thread starter Marauder06
- Start date
It seems as if you're saying men and women inherently meet the same physical standards. NY must be rubbing off on ya and getting you libbed up! (J/k)
The solution is the best idea to meet "single standard for service" and "PT influences promotion". I've said it before, but if @Cookie_ was SECARMY for a day we would modify the E3B PFA into a gender/age neutral pass/fail PT event and be done with it. I'm with you in that I want one standard.
Alas, I don't think I'm friends with any future Vice-Presidents, so I have to deal with Army point bullshit in these scenarios.
The Army has set the minimum standard for the job at 60 points on the PT test. Much like how NCOES is the bare minimum for military education points, everything over that is a measurement of how much I'm willing to go above and beyond the standard.
If myself and a female service member both deadlift 200 pounds and do 28 push-ups, She has put in more effort to be at a higher level of fitness than I have, full stop.
If the army felt that physical fitness was important to my role as an enlisted 92G (or other MOS) then they can increase the baseline standard. I'm of the opinion that the PT score of my S2/4/6 OIC has never been relevant in the performance of their duties.
Going to a single standard and then trying to still count that as promotion points will make it harder for women to promote. Maybe that's the goal or maybe it'd be unintended, but that's what the outcome would be.
Devildoc
Verified Military
There's fit, and there's Navy fit. I know most of y'all have seen this pic at some point already, she was promoted to Master Chief.
She wasn’t the only fat one on that stage. She was just the Blue Whale.
Devildoc
Verified Military
The fit ones are sandwiched between the fatties.
Did they take that pic using a Funhouse mirror? Holy crap.
I remember seeing a post about this. Apparently it's a bunch of Navy nuke techs. Poster was saying the Navy has basically been giving that career field passes for body/pt/other standards for years now, because of how hard it is to keep bodies.
There’s good chow in the Navy. I’m not being a dick. It’s really good. And that’s why there’s fatties on Submarines. Good Navy chow and nowhere to go.
Master Chief 10x12 isn’t kicking doors and pulling triggers. She’s serving the Navy and the Navy is serving her, three or more times a day.
Master Chief 10x12 isn’t kicking doors and pulling triggers. She’s serving the Navy and the Navy is serving her, three or more times a day.
Devildoc
Verified Military
Meal Team 6
Her pronouns are LBS/ KG.
Topkick
Verified Military
Just curious what y'all think about this...
New Army Shaving Policy Will Allow Soldiers with Skin Condition that Affects Mostly Black Men to Be Kicked Out | Military.com
New Army Shaving Policy Will Allow Soldiers with Skin Condition that Affects Mostly Black Men to Be Kicked Out | Military.com
The services did this to themselves when they allowed waivers then shrugged and looked the other way when waivers were abused*. Had they just kept a reasonable standard instead of a free-for-all you might not see this pushback.
* - Which they did because it was "racism" since the condition disproportionately affects Black men and commanders/ NCOs are scared shitless of the hard R of Racism.
I think its generally bullshit that we still act like beards somehow affect the ability to wage war. Pretty much every other western partner force has got it figured the fuck out, so idk why we can't.
If they wanna get stricter with the waiver process to prevent the abuse that @AWP brought up I'm cool with that, but I don’t think kicking people out who actually require it is the right move.
If they wanna get stricter with the waiver process to prevent the abuse that @AWP brought up I'm cool with that, but I don’t think kicking people out who actually require it is the right move.
Topkick
Verified Military
I don't disagree. I'm old school and prefer soldiers be high and tight & clean shaven. However, to boot an otherwise stud soldier because he can't have a smooth shave seems very nonsensical to me.
I tried to grow a beard one time in my military career. It was a dismal failure. I'm now retired and have no desire to grow one.
I'm totally fine with letting men have beards. Between watering down the grooming standards already with all manner of exemptions, and evolving societal norms, let
Topkick
Verified Military
It would mostly resolve this. I've evolved on the issue. I dont care about societal norms because the Army isn't a fashion show or a popularity contest, but I don't think a beard keeps anyone from being a warrior.
Florida173
SOF Support
And not women?! that's sexist
In the Army of Trump 2.0, we no longer have to pretend that men=women. Good times.
