General Amos

I did enjoy serving under General Gray. He was hard a woodpecker lips and saw to it that we were as well.

However, General Amos was never one that I particularly cared for. Mostly due to his history.

One of my most treasured pics. I did push-ups "forever" for purposely being late to formation, but this pic made it all worthwhile. I loved that he was always in cammies...wanted us to remember that we were Marines first.

March of 90'. Back before we even had US Marine and our name sewn above our pockets.

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@Ooh-Rah1069 , yep...I still have some of the "pre-name tag" cammies myself. I always liked the way he drank from that canteen cup.

He did love his grunts. It was nice to have someone that always knew "where we were coming from" in the things that we needed in order to accomplish our mission. He was a great Commandant for us grunts and the Marine Corps as a whole.
 
@Ooh-Rah1069 , yep...I still have some of the "pre-name tag" cammies myself.

Interesting, I never knew that. In boot camp we had to earn everything on our uniform. You start out wearing cammies with all the buttons cinched tight (including the collar button) and wearing PT shoes. Phase 1 starts and you can wear boots. Then weeks later after initial drill you can unbutton your collar, phase 2 you can blouse your boots and in phase 3 when you come back from Pendleton you finally get your name tapes so you look like the title you are about to earn.

Amos was my first CMC since I became a Marine. I'm hoping Joe Dunford does a better job. His resume definitely resonates with grunts.
 
For the enlisted Marines, it's been pretty straight forward for 100 years or so. PI or SD. That's it. But the officers have had several different types of commisioning programs, so it's much harder to figure out what's valid and what isn't.

Don't even get me started on the "civilian marines"... :blkeye:

Have you ever heard of the Korean War Marines who never went to boot camp? It's a crazy story. After WWII poolees would do OJT with their local units while they waited to go to bootcamp. When the Korean war broke out they needed a lot of Marines and they pulled a bunch of poolees to deploy to Korea. When they got back they all were given orders to bootcamp. One of the poolees wrote a letter to the commandant saying that he earned his Eagle Globe and Anchor at Chosin Reservoir. Which is a pretty valid point. The commandant said that he wouldn't put a recruit with a Korean War campaign medal under drill instructors who didn't have one and made them all Marines.

I've never heard of this correspondence TBS/OCS bull. A friend of mine did the same thing and was lat moved from LTJG to 1st Lt at flight school because the Navy had too many pilots and the Marine Corps too few. He graduated flight school, got his wings and reported to TBS.
 
Have you ever heard of the Korean War Marines who never went to boot camp? It's a crazy story. After WWII poolees would do OJT with their local units while they waited to go to bootcamp. When the Korean war broke out they needed a lot of Marines and they pulled a bunch of poolees to deploy to Korea. When they got back they all were given orders to bootcamp. One of the poolees wrote a letter to the commandant saying that he earned his Eagle Globe and Anchor at Chosin Reservoir. Which is a pretty valid point. The commandant said that he wouldn't put a recruit with a Korean War campaign medal under drill instructors who didn't have one and made them all Marines.

I heard about that a while back, crazy story and situation to be in!
 
There is much in this thread that I have never heard of before. Much of it was an eye-opener concerning my beloved Corps....;-)

I had never heard of the term "Civilian Marine" nor had I ever heard of what @Teufel is speaking about concerning the Korean War Marines. Very interesting indeed.

I did hear how some Marines of old were given certain MOS's after completing MCI courses.

I was TDY to the Battalion Armory after I broke my leg and did enough time there that they were contemplating giving me a third MOS of Armorer. They can do what they want...when they want.
 
There is much in this thread that I have never heard of before. Much of it was an eye-opener concerning my beloved Corps....;-)

I had never heard of the term "Civilian Marine" nor had I ever heard of what @Teufel is speaking about concerning the Korean War Marines. Very interesting indeed.

I did hear how some Marines of old were given certain MOS's after completing MCI courses.

I was TDY to the Battalion Armory after I broke my leg and did enough time there that they were contemplating giving me a third MOS of Armorer. They can do what they want...when they want.

I can HIGHLY recommend this documentary...

"In the winter of 1950, 15,000 U.S. troops were surrounded and trapped by 120,000 Chinese soldiers in the frozen mountains of North Korea. Refusing surrender, the men fought 78 miles to freedom and saved the lives of 98,000 civilian refugees. After 60 years of silence, the survivors of the Chosin Reservoir Campaign of the Korean War take us on an emotional and heart-pounding journey through one of the most savage battles in American history. Produced by Iraq War veterans Brian Iglesias and Anton Sattler. Directed by Brian Iglesias. World Premiere at the 2010 GI Film Festival."

 
For the enlisted Marines, it's been pretty straight forward for 100 years or so. PI or SD. That's it.

And after saying all that, Teufel's KW story reminded me that I did know one enlisted Marine that did NOT go to boot camp. It was right around 1990. He had been a SSgt in the Army, got out after 8-9 years, and a couple of months after he left the Army he enlisted in the Corps. Probably because he was turd with five kids to feed who couldn't find a job, but that's a different story... Anyway, he was allowed to join the Corps as a corporal and instead of boot camp he was sent to Corporal's Course. He was issued all of his clothing before he went, but he wore the EGA without ever going to boot camp. Crazy stuff; we used to fuck with him all the time, especially when he tried to convince people that Corporal's Course was just as tough as boot camp. :-o
 
I can HIGHLY recommend this documentary...

"In the winter of 1950, 15,000 U.S. troops were surrounded and trapped by 120,000 Chinese soldiers in the frozen mountains of North Korea. Refusing surrender, the men fought 78 miles to freedom and saved the lives of 98,000 civilian refugees. After 60 years of silence, the survivors of the Chosin Reservoir Campaign of the Korean War take us on an emotional and heart-pounding journey through one of the most savage battles in American history. Produced by Iraq War veterans Brian Iglesias and Anton Sattler. Directed by Brian Iglesias. World Premiere at the 2010 GI Film Festival."

Dang brother! That trailer is POWERFUL...if the documentary is like that...it is undoubtedly as powerful and more so.

Those Warriors are still feeling what they felt back then.

They are certainly one of the reasons why I am proud of the title I earned.

Thanks for the recommendation.
 
Any Marine who doesn't read The Last Stand of Fox Company is wrong.
I have it on Kindle, compelling book.
One of the Chosin Survivors Master Gunnery Sergeant John O. Henry was a volunteer at the Marine Corps Museum, willing to sign books.
 
There is much in this thread that I have never heard of before. Much of it was an eye-opener concerning my beloved Corps....;-)

I had never heard of the term "Civilian Marine" nor had I ever heard of what @Teufel is speaking about concerning the Korean War Marines. Very interesting indeed.

I did hear how some Marines of old were given certain MOS's after completing MCI courses.

I was TDY to the Battalion Armory after I broke my leg and did enough time there that they were contemplating giving me a third MOS of Armorer. They can do what they want...when they want.

It was eye opening for me as well. My son went the hard way, or so it seems. He was a Marine reserve Lance Corpral while at VMI. He did Boot Camp over a summer break. After graduating from VMI, went Marine OCS, from which he got a Marine Aviator slot. Before flight school, he attended and graduated from TBS. I thought that was the only way you could go; guess I had that wrong:wall:.
 
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It eye opening for me as well. My son went the hard way, or so it seems. He was a Marine reserve Lance Corpral while at VMI. He did Boot Camp over a summer break. After graduating from VMI, went Marine OCS, from which he got a Marine Aviator slot. Before flight school, he attended and graduated from TBS. I thought that was the only way you could go; guess I had that wrong:wall:.

I can say this one thing for sure...there is no doubt that he is a Marine...he covered every point of entry....:thumbsup:
 
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I can HIGHLY recommend this documentary...

"In the winter of 1950, 15,000 U.S. troops were surrounded and trapped by 120,000 Chinese soldiers in the frozen mountains of North Korea. Refusing surrender, the men fought 78 miles to freedom and saved the lives of 98,000 civilian refugees. After 60 years of silence, the survivors of the Chosin Reservoir Campaign of the Korean War take us on an emotional and heart-pounding journey through one of the most savage battles in American history. Produced by Iraq War veterans Brian Iglesias and Anton Sattler. Directed by Brian Iglesias. World Premiere at the 2010 GI Film Festival."

Speaking of the Frozen Chosin

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When I was 8 my parents gave me a book called The Story of the US Marines. It was a kid's edition, illustrated. I still have it. The first and last chapters were devoted to 1st Lt John Yancey and his platoon of 32 men (E Co, 7th Marines) and their assault on a frozen hill designated 698...the slopes of which were already littered with heaps of dead Marines from D Co who had assaulted it twice without success. He and his 32 men went up the hill, bayonets fixed, through barrages of grenade and mortar fire. He and six men reached the top. All were wounded. Yancey had been shot through the mouth. One Marine, with a belly wound, crawled around gathering ammo from their dead brothers. On the top of that hill, with a BAR, a .30 cal MG and M1s, they fought off counterattack after counterattack, killing hundreds of Chinese. Yancey walked off that hill on his own two legs and won the Navy Cross. He was my hero and still is.

Many years later, in the mid-80s, I wrote a letter to Leatherneck Magazine, which was published, in which I wrote how Yancey had inspired me to become a Marine and how his story had steeled me on a difficult night in April '71 when my bros and I were all hit. A few weeks later I got a letter from Yancey's daughter. He was alive and well and living in Little Rock (where he had owned a liquor store! How cool was that?) and was very proud of the fact that his story had inspired me. I wrote her back and told her I was planning a trip to Texas and wanted to veer off to Arkansas and meet her dad.

I was preparing the trip a month or so later when I got a letter from a law firm in Little Rock. It was from a lawyer who told me he had been John Yancey's best friend and fellow Marine and that Yancey had passed away. The lawyer wrote that he and others had been involved in an effort to have Yancey awarded the CMOH. He also told the story of how, when the Marines went into Danang in 1965, he and Yancey had gone down to the recruiting office together to enlist to go fight in Vietnam. Their request was forwarded to HQMC. And a few weeks later John Yancey received a letter from the Commandant expressing his regret that because of Yancey's age and injuries suffered on Hill 698, in particular the grevious facial and jaw wounds and loss of teeth, neither he nor Mr Blankenship (the lawyer) would be eligible for enlistment. Yancey wrote back: Sir, I don't want to bite the sonsofbitches, I want to shoot them.

Hijack over.
 
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@Ocoka One , that is a awesome "tidbit" of history that we would have never known about had you not just told us.

Thanks for that. This is one of the things that make this site so interesting and informative. There is much history here that no one knows about but us.

Sharing that knowledge is what keeps their memories alive and their achievements so important.
 
The problem here isn't just Amos, but everyone who was involved in selecting this guy to be the Commandant. I'm sure politicians are involved, but some Marines as well. Amos' legacy, as pardus said, will be shitty.

The Corps will go on, but it will take a bit of a beating over this. Hopefully the right people are assessing what went wrong so that this never happens again. Think about it: his entire career and no one knew?
 
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