General Amos

...Hopefully the right people are assessing what went wrong so that this never happens again. Think about it: his entire career and no one knew?

Indeed you are correct. His situation speaks volumes concerning the vetting process or the lack thereof.

The amazing part of it is that his schooling and training should be one of the easiest things to vett.
 
Indeed you are correct. His situation speaks volumes concerning the vetting process or the lack thereof.

The amazing part of it is that his schooling and training should be one of the easiest things to vett.

Not entirely true. I am missing several schools and according to my SRB (now Dd214) I am a tan belt. I earned the schools and my green belt (14 hour haze fest) but 1st FAST lost my records sometime between me receiving orders to 3rd Mar Div and those orders changing the day before I was to PCS.
 
Not entirely true. I am missing several schools and according to my SRB (now Dd214) I am a tan belt. I earned the schools and my green belt (14 hour haze fest) but 1st FAST lost my records sometime between me receiving orders to 3rd Mar Div and those orders changing the day before I was to PCS.

Have you tried to do a FOIA/personnel record check since/lately?
 
Not entirely true. I am missing several schools and according to my SRB (now Dd214) I am a tan belt. I earned the schools and my green belt (14 hour haze fest) but 1st FAST lost my records sometime between me receiving orders to 3rd Mar Div and those orders changing the day before I was to PCS.

I am missing many schools myself...however, whether he attended TBS or not isn't hard to vett. Whether it was in his SRB or not, there would be records of his attendance there much as ours at MCRD.

Once people are at the position of being selected/considered for CMC, there are many assumptions made -- especially with training and schools -- by those that are approving him. Many of them assume he has already achieved the things necessary to be where he is so they mostly consider his positions and decisions he has made versus his actual school/training.
 
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Have you tried to do a FOIA/personnel record check since/lately?
It's been 8 years since I got out (we'll 6 years since my invol recall) and honesty makes no difference to me. If I was attempting to do a career where it would be needed, or if it was my CAR I would simply fill out a DD215 and just resend the certs that I have or ask our MCMAP instructor if he has his records still, but my war fighting days are behind me.
 
It's been 8 years since I got out (we'll 6 years since my invol recall) and honesty makes no difference to me. If I was attempting to do a career where it would be needed, or if it was my CAR I would simply fill out a DD215 and just resend the certs that I have or ask our MCMAP instructor if he has his records still, but my war fighting days are behind me.

I hear you, but it would be nice if you could have your record corrected. It's only going to get harder to do so with time...
 
And after saying all that, Teufel's KW story reminded me that I did know one enlisted Marine that did NOT go to boot camp. It was right around 1990. He had been a SSgt in the Army, got out after 8-9 years, and a couple of months after he left the Army he enlisted in the Corps. Probably because he was turd with five kids to feed who couldn't find a job, but that's a different story... Anyway, he was allowed to join the Corps as a corporal and instead of boot camp he was sent to Corporal's Course. He was issued all of his clothing before he went, but he wore the EGA without ever going to boot camp. Crazy stuff; we used to fuck with him all the time, especially when he tried to convince people that Corporal's Course was just as tough as boot camp. :-o

Sorry for the Hate.

I don't hate you.

But what you just said put me in a hateful mood.
 
Navy Seals was on Encore the other day. Charlie Sheen. I watched it while I folded laundry. WTF has happened to my life? :wall:
 
I hear you, but it would be nice if you could have your record corrected. It's only going to get harder to do so with time...

Agreed. I got back in after being out for 15 years. Several awards and schools are missing from my official records. You have to almost piece things together to figure out that I was in Desert Storm. I have a CIB, Southwest Asia Service Medal, Liberation of Kuwait (Kuwait) (no Saudi version) and a handwritten note on my 2-1 that says "Operation Desert Storm" that is scrawled diagonally across the margins. It doesn't identify unit, time period, position or anything else. That's all that is in my official record. My promotion points and several other related areas suffered due to those missing.

You never know where life is going to take you. Get your paperwork fixed.

On Topic - I agree with Agoge to an extent. Once you are in those upper ranks, people assume that you checked all the boxes to get there along the way. I do think that consideration for flag officer should include a complete vetting of all required schools.
 
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This made me take a look at my DD 214. It has me as an 8156, Marine Security Guard instead of 8152, Marine Sentry. Looks like I've got some calls to make.
 
I thought DD214 mistakes were supposed to go away when they shitcanned IBM Selectrics and carbon paper. :rolleyes:

Seriously, all your awards and various schools should be typed out in full, not abbreviated, providing there's room. Purple Heart, not PH. Mountain Warfare School, not MWS, etc etc. Your company 1st Sgt has the responsibility of making sure all information on the DD214 is correct, MOS, everything, before you walk out the door. If anything needs to be added or amended later, it goes on a DD215. In theory at least the 214 should be written in such a way that the average civilian prospective employer can read all the pertinent stuff without having to ask for translation. There should be absolutely no typos, no misspellings, and no sloppiness.

Goddammit, it pisses me off. It's one of the most important documents you'll ever own and it'll follow you right to your funeral.
 
I thought DD214 mistakes were supposed to go away when they shitcanned IBM Selectrics and carbon paper. :rolleyes:

Seriously, all your awards and various schools should be typed out in full, not abbreviated, providing there's room. Purple Heart, not PH. Mountain Warfare School, not MWS, etc etc. Your company 1st Sgt has the responsibility of making sure all information on the DD214 is correct, MOS, everything, before you walk out the door. If anything needs to be added or amended later, it goes on a DD215. In theory at least the 214 should be written in such a way that the average civilian prospective employer can read all the pertinent stuff without having to ask for translation. There should be absolutely no typos, no misspellings, and no sloppiness.

Goddammit, it pisses me off. It's one of the most important documents you'll ever own and it'll follow you right to your funeral.


Exactly how I lost an AAM. My original DD214 has
Army Achievement Medal (2) meaning 2 oak leaf clusters. I had two for service and one for achievement

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The current personnel people read the same notation
Army Achievement Medal (2) to mean total of 2 awards.

So when they did my DD214 from my first deployment with Group (NG gets a DD214 when they demob) they changed it from AAM w/ 2 oak leaf clusters to AAM with 2 awards. It was so long ago when I got out the first time that I can't find any of the original paperwork on one of them so *poof* gone.

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There are also 2 ARCOMS missing from the second DD-214 above. I learned my lesson. I highly recommend anyone that is in starts a notebook and put all of your stuff that should be on your DD214 or Promotion packet in the notebook. For those in the Guard, carry a notebook that has that stuff in it to the demob so you can prove whatever is missing when they do your 214. I got the ARCOMs corrected because I had a copy of the orders with me at the demob after my trip to AFG. If I hadn't done that, there would be no record of those either. .

Bottom line: Ocoka One is exactly right. Make sure that it is not only there, but that everything is spelled all the way out with nothing that could be read ambiguously.
 
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My fellow Americans, our long national nightmare is over

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...d-takes-over-as-new-top-marine-corps-general/
Gen. Joseph Dunford takes over as new top Marine Corps general

...and come 10 November:
Marines throughout the world,
both enlisted and officer,
active duty and retired,
will notice that their steak more tender,
their shrimp more delectable,
and their cake even sweeter,
as they raise their steins to the Corps, and toast a new direction.

Semper Fi
 
My DD214 is missing a few things...like a small Army school where one loses some weight. I forgot what they call it..oh, yeah, it's some "leadership" school.

As for my 1st Sgt catching it and doing his job, what a waste of sperm and egg.
 
My DD214 is missing a few things...like a small Army school where one loses some weight. I forgot what they call it..oh, yeah, it's some "leadership" school.

As for my 1st Sgt catching it and doing his job, what a waste of sperm and egg.

Fitness Training Unit? :D
 
A deceased member of this site, Tripwire, fought at Chosin, as part of the 1st Cav Ranger Company... he had some stories to tell. Miss you Tom.

eta - Trip had a great love for all services, Army first, then the USMC for their contributions to his safety in the Korean engagement.
 
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