How about that Hunter Biden laptop...
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I don't think there is one, but a sex cult that did some really weird shit and some B to C level actors involved, human experimentation, etc.
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From what I'm understanding it was a sex/influence cult. Think Epstein, but without the island. The cult would lure young vulnerable people, brainwash them, and groom them as assets. The cult also catered to the powerful young sons and daughters of the political elite. If you do some digging on the boss you'll find connections to the Dalai Llama and other influential people outside the US.
Don't you think it's odd that a honey pot was part of their organization?
Bro, it's real. Even a blind squirrel, that is the DOJ, was able to crack that nut.
I never said it isn't real. Don't make it sound like I didn't believe or whatever. Take me out of that column.
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To quote a long time and respected member of this forum…
Feds
@R.Caerbannog - You and your Tinfoil have gone relatively unchecked since the forum came back online (I know you remember how it used to be when we had a full staff of mods and Admins who would fact check your statements and demand backup) most of what you spew is conspiratorial internet garbage with just a twist of truth for flavor. You know it, I know it, and the American people know it.
I would remind members to pause every once in a while and ‘think’ about what they are ‘liking’ or agreeing with and take a few moments to look at the big picture and do some fact checking of their own…on reputable sites. The accusations and implications you throw out on this page alone Feds would have gotten you ‘thread banned’ back in the day.
Is the government (and its agencies) often seemingly incompetent and awash with Political Correctness ? Yep.
Did some high powered people get their tit in a ringer for visiting a certain island and are now doing everything they can to suppress that info? Yep. Were they there diddling little kids?
Really?
Is the government overtly grooming children for…whatever it is you think they are grooming children for?
Come on man.
Everybody just take a breath for a minute and think.
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How many times have I been right though? Five years ago, you and the other mods forbade talking about the Hunter Biden laptop. You specifically did not like that I didn't want to disclose my source at the time. Pretty sure you even deleted some of those posts.
Secondly, what I post can be fact checked and I've been posting links and images that can easily be image searched or back-tracked. As for reputable sites... those same sites were declaring that Epstein Island and the Hunter Biden Laptop were dis-info. How'd that turn out? Remember the Steele Dossier and the Intel people that swore it was accurate? What about the pedo journalists that claimed Pizza Gate was a right wing hoax?
Look, we all know govt and the current admin is dirty. That said, you really need to think of the endgame in terms of warfare and resources. There is a reason why our population is being demoralized, via political correctness and incompetence. There is a reason why our intelligence and governmental agencies have been infiltrated. Same goes for why the intelligence community and DOJ shielded Epstein and associates.
We're at war. We've been at war internally for a long time. It's just now that people are seeing it. Lemme put it like this. Ten years ago if someone mentioned 5th gen warfare, what would you have said? What about someone telling you about soft power and it's uses?
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There is a lot of bad shit happening in this country. There are usually two sides, and some people just don't want to face the ugly truth until the facts come out...and some still won't accept it. For example George Floyd is a POS still celebrated as an American hero by some. I know there are bad people in government, but I don't believe they're all pedos peddling kids from a Mom and Pops pizza shop.
There are many different agendas coming from the Left that sometimes--but not always--coalesce under the same banner. They run the gamut from moderately liberal to Marxist to downright crackpot. There's enough disparity, disjointedness and contention between them all to dispel the conspiracy/5th Gen angle.
You give them too much credit for being some nefarious, organized alliance of evil, when, in fact, the only thing they agree completely on is their hatred for Trump.
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I'm conservative in values, but I still believe its a uniparty and Trump was an outsider trying to bust up their crime ring. Those MF'ers are in it together, drinking expensive scotch and laughing at us while they all create different catastrophies around the globe to launder our tax dollars. If thats a conspiracy theory then I guess I'm a wing nut too.
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You're exactly right. That said, I think the pedo and degenerate stuff is a tool in someone's toolbox; to blackmail or control weaker willed people. I also think pedophilia is more widespread in that crowd than we think. Based on the accounts that have been leaked, there is some sort of religious/ritual aspect to what these people are doing.
Whatever this is, has been going on way before the orange man came upon the scene. 34 years ago a group called "The Finders" were active in DC and shared a lot of the same archetypes that Epstein and the Pizza Gate people had. Oddly enough, after investigating "The Finders" the FBI was told to shut the case down.
(The initial legwork that led to this investigation was started by a local PD.)
Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Thrice is enemy action.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/arch...se-case/11f05df1-48e0-41f7-b46d-249c0bd2bc39/
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Article detailing the Finders cult and their ritual abuse of kids. Was written in 1987.
By Saundra Saperstein
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Victoria Churchville
February 7, 1987 at 12:00 a.m. EST
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Authorities investigating the alleged abuse of six children found with two men in a Tallahassee, Fla., park discovered materials yesterday in the Washington area that they say points to a 1960s-style commune called the Finders, described in a court document as a "cult" that allegedly conducted "brainwashing" and used children "in rituals."
D.C. police, who searched a Northeast Washington warehouse linked to the group, removed large plastic bags filled with color slides, photographs and photographic contact sheets. Some photos visible through a bag carried from the warehouse at 1307 Fourth St. NE were wallet-sized pictures of children, similar to school photos, and some were of naked children.
D.C. police sources said some of the items seized yesterday showed pictures of children engaged in what appeared to be "cult rituals." Officials of the U.S. Customs Service, called in to aid in the investigation, said that the material seized yesterday includes photos showing children involved in bloodletting ceremonies of animals and one photograph of a child in chains. Customs officials said they were looking into whether a child pornography operation was being conducted.
According to court documents, computers and software were seized from the warehouse, from a Glover Park apartment building and from a van that was recovered in Tallahassee along with the children.
Yesterday's disclosures about the mysterious group grew out of an investigation that was set in motion Wednesday by an anonymous call to Tallahassee police about two "well-dressed men" who were "supervising" six disheveled children in a neighborhood park. The men were arrested and charged with child abuse, according to Tallahassee police.
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Their links to the D.C. area have led authorities into a far-reaching investigation that includes the Finders -- a group of about 40 people that court documents allege is led by a man named Marion Pettie -- and their various homes, including the duplex apartment building in Glover Park, the Northeast Washington warehouse and a 90-acre farm in rural Madison County, Va.
Tallahassee police, who arrested and charged men identified as Douglas E. Ammerman and Michael Houlihan with child abuse, contacted D.C. police Thursday in an attempt to establish the identities of the children. They learned that D.C. police had heard of the Finders group, according to Tallahassee police spokesman Scott Hunt.
No other member of the group had been located last night, police sources said.
According to U.S. District Court records in Washington, a confidential police source had previously told authorities that the Finders were "a cult" that conducted "brainwashing" techniques at the warehouse and the Glover Park duplex at 3918-20 W St. NW. This source told of being recruited by the Finders with promises of "financial reward and sexual gratification" and of being invited by one member to "explore" satanism with them, according to the documents.
According to the affidavit, the source told authorities that children were used in "rituals" by the members, and though the source had never witnessed abuse of the children, the source said the children's grandparents feared for their safety.
On Dec. 15, a D.C. police detective observed a clearing in the rear of the 3900 block of W Street NW where "several round stones had been gathered" near a circle, as well as evidence that people had gathered there, according to the document, which stated that "this practice is sometimes used in satanic rituals." Armed with that information and the report from Tallahassee police of the allegedly abused children, D.C. police sought search warrants for the Glover Park residence and the warehouse.
Meanwhile, authorities in Florida attempted to learn more about the six small children -- described by a police spokesman as "hungry and . . . pretty pathetic" -- who had set the investigation in motion.
The children, identified in a court document only by the first names of Honeybee, John, Franklin, BeeBee, Max and Mary, were described as "dirty, unkempt, hungry, disturbed and agitated." They had been living in the rear of the van for some time, the document said.
Yesterday, police spokesman Hunt said one of the children, a 6-year-old girl, "showed signs of sexual abuse," but that an examination by a local doctor showed none of the children as being ill.
Five of the children were uncommunicative, according to police, and none seemed to recognize objects such as typewriters and staplers.
However, the oldest was able to give investigators some information. She said that the two men "were their teachers," according to Hunt. She was not sure where they had been recently or where they were going. But until recently, they had been living in the District in "a house with other children and adults." They lived mainly on a diet of raw fruit and vegetables, she said.
The girl told the police that while they were in the District, the children received instruction from "a man they called a Game Caller or a Game Leader," according to Hunt.
According to the D.C. court document, a Tallahassee police investigator identified this man as Marion Pettie, who the confidential police source "also identified as the Stroller, leader of this 'cult.' "
The children have been placed in emergency shelters in Tallahassee, according to Merrill Moody of the Florida Department of Health and Rehabilitative Services. He said officials were trying to identify them.
Neighbors of the W Street house last night identified the photographs of two of the children as residents of the house.
Before their arrests in the park, Ammerman and Houlihan had told police that they were teachers from Washington "transporting these children to Mexico and a school for brilliant children," according to Hunt. When police asked the men where the children's mothers were, "they said they were being weaned from their mothers."
Yesterday, U.S. Attorney Joseph E. diGenova said that authorities were investigating "the crime of kidnaping" but that the investigation "is not limited to that as the evidence evolves."
George Wisnowsky, spokesman for the FBI in Jacksonville, said the FBI was "checking the transportation of children across state lines for immoral purposes or kidnaping."
Authorities in Florida, who searched the van, found 20 floppy computer discs and a device Hunt said could be used to hook into a computer in another location by telephone. He said D.C. police have obtained evidence that a computer linked to the group received a call from Tallahassee late this week.
Meanwhile, authorities in Washington were busy searching the warehouse and the Glover Park residence, side-by-side brick apartment buildings that, according to neighbors, stood out in the neighborhood because of a hot tub and satellite dish on the roof. Only women and children lived there, though men visited regularly, according to neighbors.
One woman from the neighborhood said the children from the house were "easy to spot because they were so dirty," adding that adults with them "seemed not to care." She said the group from the house reminded her of "leftover hippies."
But another neighbor, college professor John Matthews, who said he had lived at 3918 W St. for a short time while looking for an apartment, said the residents were "a close-knit group" of feminists who liked to help people and were not a cult. "The neighborhood talks about them because of their life style," Matthews said.
The Fourth Street warehouse, which authorities said also was used as a residence, had windows that were boarded shut. One wall was covered with a huge map of the world, lit by floodlights. Upstairs, mattresses were flung on the floors of various rooms.Staff writers Joseph E. Bouchard, Ed Bruske, Mary Thornton, John Harris and Linda Wheeler contributed to this report.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/arch...se-case/11f05df1-48e0-41f7-b46d-249c0bd2bc39/
Note the similarities from the 1987 article and Finder documents to the Epstein and Pizza Gate crap. Same with the occult symbology.
OFFICIALS DESCRIBE 'CULT RITUALS' IN CHILD ABUSE CASE
PHOTOS OF YOUNGSTERS SEIZED AT D.C. WAREHOUSE, PROBERS SAYBy Saundra Saperstein
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Victoria Churchville
February 7, 1987 at 12:00 a.m. EST
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Authorities investigating the alleged abuse of six children found with two men in a Tallahassee, Fla., park discovered materials yesterday in the Washington area that they say points to a 1960s-style commune called the Finders, described in a court document as a "cult" that allegedly conducted "brainwashing" and used children "in rituals."
D.C. police, who searched a Northeast Washington warehouse linked to the group, removed large plastic bags filled with color slides, photographs and photographic contact sheets. Some photos visible through a bag carried from the warehouse at 1307 Fourth St. NE were wallet-sized pictures of children, similar to school photos, and some were of naked children.
D.C. police sources said some of the items seized yesterday showed pictures of children engaged in what appeared to be "cult rituals." Officials of the U.S. Customs Service, called in to aid in the investigation, said that the material seized yesterday includes photos showing children involved in bloodletting ceremonies of animals and one photograph of a child in chains. Customs officials said they were looking into whether a child pornography operation was being conducted.
According to court documents, computers and software were seized from the warehouse, from a Glover Park apartment building and from a van that was recovered in Tallahassee along with the children.
Yesterday's disclosures about the mysterious group grew out of an investigation that was set in motion Wednesday by an anonymous call to Tallahassee police about two "well-dressed men" who were "supervising" six disheveled children in a neighborhood park. The men were arrested and charged with child abuse, according to Tallahassee police.
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Their links to the D.C. area have led authorities into a far-reaching investigation that includes the Finders -- a group of about 40 people that court documents allege is led by a man named Marion Pettie -- and their various homes, including the duplex apartment building in Glover Park, the Northeast Washington warehouse and a 90-acre farm in rural Madison County, Va.
Tallahassee police, who arrested and charged men identified as Douglas E. Ammerman and Michael Houlihan with child abuse, contacted D.C. police Thursday in an attempt to establish the identities of the children. They learned that D.C. police had heard of the Finders group, according to Tallahassee police spokesman Scott Hunt.
No other member of the group had been located last night, police sources said.
According to U.S. District Court records in Washington, a confidential police source had previously told authorities that the Finders were "a cult" that conducted "brainwashing" techniques at the warehouse and the Glover Park duplex at 3918-20 W St. NW. This source told of being recruited by the Finders with promises of "financial reward and sexual gratification" and of being invited by one member to "explore" satanism with them, according to the documents.
According to the affidavit, the source told authorities that children were used in "rituals" by the members, and though the source had never witnessed abuse of the children, the source said the children's grandparents feared for their safety.
On Dec. 15, a D.C. police detective observed a clearing in the rear of the 3900 block of W Street NW where "several round stones had been gathered" near a circle, as well as evidence that people had gathered there, according to the document, which stated that "this practice is sometimes used in satanic rituals." Armed with that information and the report from Tallahassee police of the allegedly abused children, D.C. police sought search warrants for the Glover Park residence and the warehouse.
Meanwhile, authorities in Florida attempted to learn more about the six small children -- described by a police spokesman as "hungry and . . . pretty pathetic" -- who had set the investigation in motion.
The children, identified in a court document only by the first names of Honeybee, John, Franklin, BeeBee, Max and Mary, were described as "dirty, unkempt, hungry, disturbed and agitated." They had been living in the rear of the van for some time, the document said.
Yesterday, police spokesman Hunt said one of the children, a 6-year-old girl, "showed signs of sexual abuse," but that an examination by a local doctor showed none of the children as being ill.
Five of the children were uncommunicative, according to police, and none seemed to recognize objects such as typewriters and staplers.
However, the oldest was able to give investigators some information. She said that the two men "were their teachers," according to Hunt. She was not sure where they had been recently or where they were going. But until recently, they had been living in the District in "a house with other children and adults." They lived mainly on a diet of raw fruit and vegetables, she said.
The girl told the police that while they were in the District, the children received instruction from "a man they called a Game Caller or a Game Leader," according to Hunt.
According to the D.C. court document, a Tallahassee police investigator identified this man as Marion Pettie, who the confidential police source "also identified as the Stroller, leader of this 'cult.' "
The children have been placed in emergency shelters in Tallahassee, according to Merrill Moody of the Florida Department of Health and Rehabilitative Services. He said officials were trying to identify them.
Neighbors of the W Street house last night identified the photographs of two of the children as residents of the house.
Before their arrests in the park, Ammerman and Houlihan had told police that they were teachers from Washington "transporting these children to Mexico and a school for brilliant children," according to Hunt. When police asked the men where the children's mothers were, "they said they were being weaned from their mothers."
Yesterday, U.S. Attorney Joseph E. diGenova said that authorities were investigating "the crime of kidnaping" but that the investigation "is not limited to that as the evidence evolves."
George Wisnowsky, spokesman for the FBI in Jacksonville, said the FBI was "checking the transportation of children across state lines for immoral purposes or kidnaping."
Authorities in Florida, who searched the van, found 20 floppy computer discs and a device Hunt said could be used to hook into a computer in another location by telephone. He said D.C. police have obtained evidence that a computer linked to the group received a call from Tallahassee late this week.
Meanwhile, authorities in Washington were busy searching the warehouse and the Glover Park residence, side-by-side brick apartment buildings that, according to neighbors, stood out in the neighborhood because of a hot tub and satellite dish on the roof. Only women and children lived there, though men visited regularly, according to neighbors.
One woman from the neighborhood said the children from the house were "easy to spot because they were so dirty," adding that adults with them "seemed not to care." She said the group from the house reminded her of "leftover hippies."
But another neighbor, college professor John Matthews, who said he had lived at 3918 W St. for a short time while looking for an apartment, said the residents were "a close-knit group" of feminists who liked to help people and were not a cult. "The neighborhood talks about them because of their life style," Matthews said.
The Fourth Street warehouse, which authorities said also was used as a residence, had windows that were boarded shut. One wall was covered with a huge map of the world, lit by floodlights. Upstairs, mattresses were flung on the floors of various rooms.Staff writers Joseph E. Bouchard, Ed Bruske, Mary Thornton, John Harris and Linda Wheeler contributed to this report.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/arch...se-case/11f05df1-48e0-41f7-b46d-249c0bd2bc39/
Note the similarities from the 1987 article and Finder documents to the Epstein and Pizza Gate crap. Same with the occult symbology.
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Article detailing the Finders cult and their ritual abuse of kids. Was written in 1987.
OFFICIALS DESCRIBE 'CULT RITUALS' IN CHILD ABUSE CASE
PHOTOS OF YOUNGSTERS SEIZED AT D.C. WAREHOUSE, PROBERS SAY
By Saundra Saperstein
and
Victoria Churchville
February 7, 1987 at 12:00 a.m. EST
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Authorities investigating the alleged abuse of six children found with two men in a Tallahassee, Fla., park discovered materials yesterday in the Washington area that they say points to a 1960s-style commune called the Finders, described in a court document as a "cult" that allegedly conducted "brainwashing" and used children "in rituals."
D.C. police, who searched a Northeast Washington warehouse linked to the group, removed large plastic bags filled with color slides, photographs and photographic contact sheets. Some photos visible through a bag carried from the warehouse at 1307 Fourth St. NE were wallet-sized pictures of children, similar to school photos, and some were of naked children.
D.C. police sources said some of the items seized yesterday showed pictures of children engaged in what appeared to be "cult rituals." Officials of the U.S. Customs Service, called in to aid in the investigation, said that the material seized yesterday includes photos showing children involved in bloodletting ceremonies of animals and one photograph of a child in chains. Customs officials said they were looking into whether a child pornography operation was being conducted.
According to court documents, computers and software were seized from the warehouse, from a Glover Park apartment building and from a van that was recovered in Tallahassee along with the children.
Yesterday's disclosures about the mysterious group grew out of an investigation that was set in motion Wednesday by an anonymous call to Tallahassee police about two "well-dressed men" who were "supervising" six disheveled children in a neighborhood park. The men were arrested and charged with child abuse, according to Tallahassee police.
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Their links to the D.C. area have led authorities into a far-reaching investigation that includes the Finders -- a group of about 40 people that court documents allege is led by a man named Marion Pettie -- and their various homes, including the duplex apartment building in Glover Park, the Northeast Washington warehouse and a 90-acre farm in rural Madison County, Va.
Tallahassee police, who arrested and charged men identified as Douglas E. Ammerman and Michael Houlihan with child abuse, contacted D.C. police Thursday in an attempt to establish the identities of the children. They learned that D.C. police had heard of the Finders group, according to Tallahassee police spokesman Scott Hunt.
No other member of the group had been located last night, police sources said.
According to U.S. District Court records in Washington, a confidential police source had previously told authorities that the Finders were "a cult" that conducted "brainwashing" techniques at the warehouse and the Glover Park duplex at 3918-20 W St. NW. This source told of being recruited by the Finders with promises of "financial reward and sexual gratification" and of being invited by one member to "explore" satanism with them, according to the documents.
According to the affidavit, the source told authorities that children were used in "rituals" by the members, and though the source had never witnessed abuse of the children, the source said the children's grandparents feared for their safety.
On Dec. 15, a D.C. police detective observed a clearing in the rear of the 3900 block of W Street NW where "several round stones had been gathered" near a circle, as well as evidence that people had gathered there, according to the document, which stated that "this practice is sometimes used in satanic rituals." Armed with that information and the report from Tallahassee police of the allegedly abused children, D.C. police sought search warrants for the Glover Park residence and the warehouse.
Meanwhile, authorities in Florida attempted to learn more about the six small children -- described by a police spokesman as "hungry and . . . pretty pathetic" -- who had set the investigation in motion.
The children, identified in a court document only by the first names of Honeybee, John, Franklin, BeeBee, Max and Mary, were described as "dirty, unkempt, hungry, disturbed and agitated." They had been living in the rear of the van for some time, the document said.
Yesterday, police spokesman Hunt said one of the children, a 6-year-old girl, "showed signs of sexual abuse," but that an examination by a local doctor showed none of the children as being ill.
Five of the children were uncommunicative, according to police, and none seemed to recognize objects such as typewriters and staplers.
However, the oldest was able to give investigators some information. She said that the two men "were their teachers," according to Hunt. She was not sure where they had been recently or where they were going. But until recently, they had been living in the District in "a house with other children and adults." They lived mainly on a diet of raw fruit and vegetables, she said.
The girl told the police that while they were in the District, the children received instruction from "a man they called a Game Caller or a Game Leader," according to Hunt.
According to the D.C. court document, a Tallahassee police investigator identified this man as Marion Pettie, who the confidential police source "also identified as the Stroller, leader of this 'cult.' "
The children have been placed in emergency shelters in Tallahassee, according to Merrill Moody of the Florida Department of Health and Rehabilitative Services. He said officials were trying to identify them.
Neighbors of the W Street house last night identified the photographs of two of the children as residents of the house.
Before their arrests in the park, Ammerman and Houlihan had told police that they were teachers from Washington "transporting these children to Mexico and a school for brilliant children," according to Hunt. When police asked the men where the children's mothers were, "they said they were being weaned from their mothers."
Yesterday, U.S. Attorney Joseph E. diGenova said that authorities were investigating "the crime of kidnaping" but that the investigation "is not limited to that as the evidence evolves."
George Wisnowsky, spokesman for the FBI in Jacksonville, said the FBI was "checking the transportation of children across state lines for immoral purposes or kidnaping."
Authorities in Florida, who searched the van, found 20 floppy computer discs and a device Hunt said could be used to hook into a computer in another location by telephone. He said D.C. police have obtained evidence that a computer linked to the group received a call from Tallahassee late this week.
Meanwhile, authorities in Washington were busy searching the warehouse and the Glover Park residence, side-by-side brick apartment buildings that, according to neighbors, stood out in the neighborhood because of a hot tub and satellite dish on the roof. Only women and children lived there, though men visited regularly, according to neighbors.
One woman from the neighborhood said the children from the house were "easy to spot because they were so dirty," adding that adults with them "seemed not to care." She said the group from the house reminded her of "leftover hippies."
But another neighbor, college professor John Matthews, who said he had lived at 3918 W St. for a short time while looking for an apartment, said the residents were "a close-knit group" of feminists who liked to help people and were not a cult. "The neighborhood talks about them because of their life style," Matthews said.
The Fourth Street warehouse, which authorities said also was used as a residence, had windows that were boarded shut. One wall was covered with a huge map of the world, lit by floodlights. Upstairs, mattresses were flung on the floors of various rooms.Staff writers Joseph E. Bouchard, Ed Bruske, Mary Thornton, John Harris and Linda Wheeler contributed to this report.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/arch...se-case/11f05df1-48e0-41f7-b46d-249c0bd2bc39/
Note the similarities from the 1987 article and Finder documents to the Epstein and Pizza Gate crap. Same with the occult symbology.
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You have finally convinced me. I am onboard with this 100%. I take back everything I said.
SELL THE HOUSE
SELL THE CAR
SELL THE KIDS
FIND SOMEONE ELSE
FORGET IT
IM NEVER COMING BACK
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I shit you not, Newsweek wrote an article calling Pizza Gate anti-semitic. What's weird are the similarities to the Finders report.
#Pizzagate Resurfaces an Old Anti-Semitic Slander
#Pizzagate Resurfaces an Old Anti-Semitic Slander
Published Dec 06, 2016 at 1:58 PM ESTUpdated Dec 11, 2016 at 2:16 PM EST
The exterior of the Comet Ping Pong pizza restaurant in Washington, D.C., on December 5. The pizzeria vowed to stay open despite a shooting incident sparked by a fake news report that it was fronting... More Jonathan Ernst/Reuters
By Nina Burleigh
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It was really only a matter of time before the modern art world, which has long ridiculed conservatives and Christians with wink-wink in-jokes, would provide fodder for the far-right fake-news machine. Marina Abramović, whose shock art serves up masochistic self-display in the context of pseudo-occult ritual, has become just that: For some fake-news believers in this, the Year of Trump, she has become an actual witch who is leading godless progressives to drink the blood of infants.
Edgar Maddison Welch did not visit Manhattan's Museum of Modern Art (MoMA) before traveling to the nation's capital from North Carolina on Sunday night. Instead, he allegedly went straight to Washington, D.C.'s Comet Ping Pong restaurant, rifle in hand, to personally "investigate" the conspiracy theory that Hillary Clinton has been hanging out with pedophiles and abducted children in satanic tunnels beneath the pizza place, owned by a former lover of the director of one of her super PACs.
Related: Washington gunman was investigating Pizza Gate fake news
The theory that so moved Welch starts with Abramović's 1996 "Spirit Cooking" project, a set of drawings of "recipes," some from actual occult rituals, and a performance involving tossing around buckets of animal blood and making Eucharist wafers out human bodily fluids, mixed with honey.
Whiffs of witchcraft wafted around American politics throughout Clinton's candidacy. But until the John Podesta email, calling her a witch was only one of the milder forms of gender-oriented verbal abuse. Now it's taken on a new fervor. From the Salem witch trials to the Amanda Knox case in Italy, when groups of people fervently believe in witchcraft and demons, weird things start to happen in those communities.
Abramović entered the fake-news cycle after WikiLeaks released the private emails of Podesta, Clinton's campaign manager. His brother, Washington lobbyist and art collector Tony Podesta, once forwarded John an invitation to an Abramović "spirit cooking" dinner. To the conspiracy theorists, that email was all the proof needed that Washington progressives and lobbyists dine on satanic food watered with the blood of babies, not dry aged steak and French red.
The art world has enraged people before, but not like this. In 1999, Andres Serrano's Piss Christ pissed off one-time Catholic seminarian Rudy Giuliani so much that the New York mayor not only pronounced it "sick art" but tried to de-fund the Brooklyn Museum over it. Some artists have never gotten over the silly glee of provoking Christians (most artists don't touch the other religions, and certainly steer far clear of Islam), and in-jokes about occult rituals are just part of Abramović's stock-in-trade. She has a legion of fans—750,000 people lined up to sit across from her at MoMA a few years ago, for a performance piece in which she vowed not to get up from her chair for 700 hours. She later claimed she never even used a trap door under her chair for bathroom relief.
On Reddit three years ago, Abramović answered a question about why her art differs from occult ritual. "Everything depends on which context you are doing what you are doing," she wrote. "If you are doing the occult magic in the context of art or in a gallery, then it is the art. If you are doing it in different context, in spiritual circles or private house or on TV shows, it is not art. The intention, the context for what is made, and where it is made defines what art is or not."
For people whose only "context" of the devil is Sunday school, that statement makes no sense. A witch is a witch is a witch in Wichita.
For the culturati, though, Abramović is too literal. Normally mild-mannered New York Times book reviewer Dwight Garner could barely restrain his contempt for her recent memoir, Walk Through Walls. "A tolerance for a certain amount of pomposity is a prerequisite for keeping up with serious art; otherwise, you're always sitting at the short table and using the plastic cutlery," he wrote. "Ms. Abramović pushes this tolerance to its limits. You will need to be able to withstand a great deal of conversation about clairvoyants and tarot cards and didgeridoos and kundalini life forces and monks and gurus and 'how the soul can leave the body through the center of the fontanel of the head' to make it very far in this memoir."
The origins of the idea of a Podesta pedo-cult supposedly date back to a tweet by Andrew Breitbart in 2010. It is not clear what provoked it, and we might never know. Conspiracy theorists find it deeply significant that Breitbart died of a heart attack shortly after he tweeted: "How prog guru John Podesta isn't household name as world-class underage sex slave op cover upper defending unspeakable dregs is beyond me."
Comet Ping Pong is owned by a former lover of Hillary PAC strategist David Brock, and the focus on the pizza parlor could be seen as the evangelical right's culture-war payback for the travails of an establishment called Memories Pizza in Walkerton, Indiana. In April 2015, Memories received death threats and temporarily locked its doors—and then got $840,000 in donations—after the owner announced he wouldn't cater a gay wedding.
It's beyond ironic that the accusations of pedophilia taking place at Comet Ping Pong have been attached to Clinton, the most powerful and most investigated woman in American politics, while her presidential opponent's behavior with young girls never warranted investigation. Billionaire and convicted pedophile Jeffrey Epstein was a friend of both Bill Clinton and Donald Trump. Clinton fought off impeachment over sex with an intern and has been tarred for years with allegations of sexual assault, and Trump has never made a secret of his affinity for young female flesh. But the lumpen Trumpen is willing to believe that a Methodist grandmother drinks the blood of babies, while a man who ogles underage girls and says things like "grab them by the pussy" is deemed fit for the presidency.
The underpinnings of the baby's blood allegations will be horrifyingly familiar to Jews who grew up hearing about it from family members who escaped European pogroms. "The 'blood libel' refers to a centuries-old false allegation that Jews murder Christians—especially Christian children—to use their blood for ritual purposes, such as an ingredient in the baking of Passover matzah (unleavened bread)," according to the Anti-Defamation League. "It is also sometimes called the 'ritual murder charge.' The blood libel dates back to the Middle Ages and has persisted despite Jewish denials and official repudiations by the Catholic Church and many secular authorities. Blood libels have frequently led to mob violence and pogroms, and have occasionally led to the decimation of entire Jewish communities."
Trumpen American laps this stuff up, just like European peasants did from the Middle Ages onward. Their credulity could be a testament to the failure of American public education and the absence of a mental health safety net. In the hive mind of the American conservative underworld, the old blood libel has found new, 21st-century targets—leftists, feminists and, yes, urban Jews.
Political sophisticates who should know better are feeding the theory. Roger Stone, a man with a tattoo of Richard Nixon on his back and an admitted sex club habit, could play the role of warlock at any moonlit midnight ritual. Here's what he tweeted four days ago:
Studied up on why they do what they do.
Like vampires, they FEED off of fear/stress energy.
They think it gives them power. #SpiritCooking
He also posted a picture of Abramović holding a pair of bloody goat horns, the universal symbol of Lucifer.
This would all be moderately funny if it wasn't clear that it has caused deranged people—like Welch—to take action. Countless online "investigators" now spend hours in their mother's basements—or at their offices—following clues. On Monday, for example, Brittany Pettibone, a self-described "Author, Patriot, Constitutionalist," linked #Pizzagate to #hampstead, which appears to refer to a London tabloid scandal from last year in which actor Ricky Dearman was branded the leader of a satanic cult who trafficked children into the U.K. to be tortured and killed on video. Scotland Yard investigated and found they were "baseless" claims that had been made by his children after they were tortured by their own mother and her partner, who attacked them and fed them drugs. Dearman's ex-wife has fled the country and has not been heard from since, leaving an open-ended mystery for an online sleuth like Pettibone to solve.
There is at least one sign that even the so-called alt-right wants to distance itself from Sunday night's pizza place shooting. On Monday night, pop right-wing agitator Milo Yiannopoulos, who lost his Twitter access earlier this year after one too many online insults against women and minorities, was on the campus of Miami University in Ohio, scheduled to talk about "PIZZAGATE: The deep Dish on Liberalism and Pedophilia." Half an hour before the speech, he abruptly changed his topic to "On Stabby Muslims, Campus Censors and Daddy's Transition."
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My mouth is watering and so are my pants.
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