How good is the Syrian Military?

[Marauder06]

I wonder how impressive that really is, though. Israel isn't that wide to begin with, it's something like 71-85 miles at its widest point, which isn't the border with Syria. Combine this with the fact that the war started as a surprise attack by the Arabs, and that the Israelis were fending off more than one attacker, I'm not sure Syria's performance was all that good. That's especially true since the Israelis counterattacked into Syria.

I was actually far more impressed with the Egyptians' ability to pull off a surprise contested river crossing of the Suez.

 

[RetPara]

Point In Fact. However, the Syrian made a deliberate assault through a prepared, deliberate defense in depth. This is an absolute classic modern assault on a well prepared defense. Meanwhile in Sinai, the Egyptians waited till AFTER the Syrians attacked to kick their assault off. Also the flow of initial reinforcements from the IDF call up initially went to the Golan, while trading land for time in Sinai.

I also spent some time talking with some of ODA that was assigned to 'liaison' with the Syrian Armour Division during DS/DS. Of all the other coalition forces, the Syrians were the most disciplined.

 

[Marauder06]

Roger. I never worked with the Syrians, but I dealt with the Iraqis (post-invasion) the Egyptians and the Jordanians, I kind of felt the Jordanians had their act together the best. Their country was cleanest, at least. ;)

 

[RetPara]

The Jordanians are 'nice' but the Syrians are the most ruthless and have more combat experience.

 

[Etype]

any new festivities will require a well planned and executed SEAD at kickoff.

No problem.

 

[DA SWO]

The Jordanians are 'nice' but the Syrians are the most ruthless and have more combat experience.

US Navy didn't fare so well the last time the flew over Syrian trained ADA folks....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Goodman

 

[talonlm]

This would be more like the war with Serbia in 1999--lots of standoff work, cruise missiles, and patience.

The Syrian IADS is nothing to trifle with.Syria uses a lot of older single-digit SAM systems--SA-2/3/5/6--capable enough, but older systems with known weaknesses and exploitations, as demonstrated by Orchard in 2007.Syria started upgrading their IADS after that, but never really got the chance to finish before this rebellion flared up. They did, however, get their hands on some good equipment. The Pantsir is probably what popped the Turkish RF-4C.Short ranged, but a very, very good system there.Like a Tunguska on steroids.They also bought the S-300; export version of the SA-10 or SA-20, depending on the missile purchased and upgrades.Good long range SAM system.And, of course, the requisite mega-sh!t ton of various MANPADS, everything from the SA-7 to the SA-18, and every form of AAA ever created by the Soviets. There are questions regarding maintenance practices and training, but it's probably smarter to assume they know what they're doing with the equipment until we know for certain that's not the case. By no means a walk in the park, but certainly not unbeatable, either.

 

[Brill]

any new festivities will require a well planned and executed SEAD at kickoff.

Or an email. :nerd:

 

[AWP]

One would think that our forays into RP6 during the late 60's and early 70's taught the world the validity of a layered air defense network.

Except the US...AAA is apparently beneath us.

 

[DA SWO]

One would think that our forays into RP6 during the late 60's and early 70's taught the world the validity of a layered air defense network.

Except the US...AAA is apparently beneath us.

Army and AF are geared towards Offense, AAA is a defensive weapon.

 

[talonlm]

Army and AF are geared towards Offense, AAA is a defensive weapon.

Been a loooonnngggg time since US troop have had to contend with enemy air. Artillery (rockets and the like) yeah, but it's been since '91 that an enemy air force has even tried to launch an air attack on us. It's hard to get them to even launch interceptors on us any more. Air superiority is nice, so long as we can keep it.

 

[pardus]

Air superiority is nice, so long as we can keep it.

So is GPS...

 

[DA SWO]

Been a loooonnngggg time since US troop have had to contend with enemy air. Artillery (rockets and the like) yeah, but it's been since '91 that an enemy air force has even tried to launch an air attack on us. It's hard to get them to even launch interceptors on us any more. Air superiority is nice, so long as we can keep it.

I thought it was 1998, Kosovo, 2 kils via F-15. Serb pilots E&E'd back home.

 

[talonlm]

MiG-29s launched towards Bosnia, but I never found out if they were on a strike or simply intercept; I am not sure about that one. The one I'm referring to is the Iraqi Mirage F-1 run down the gulf in '91 the Saudis ended with an F-15. Last one I know of that actually got close-ish.

 

[SpitfireV]

I've got a book written by an ex fighter pilot who describes all the US kills from after Vietnam to the present. I'm sure there were quite a number of close ones but I'll have a read tonight and see.

 

[Crusader74]

War games recently held....

 

[RetPara]

I've got a book written by an ex fighter pilot who describes all the US kills from after Vietnam to the present. I'm sure there were quite a number of close ones but I'll have a read tonight and see.

The USAF did a study about all USAF air to air engagements and USN/USMC engagements where guns or missiles are actually fired called Project Red Baron. Apparently it has been declassified. The documents in their original form were each in their own 3 inch binder. It will take a few minutes to down load.


Volume 1- http://handle.dtic.mil/100.2/ADC003627

Volume 2- http://handle.dtic.mil/100.2/ADC003628

Volume 3- http://handle.dtic.mil/100.2/ADC003629


The stuff is kinda geeky, but if your into air to air shit this stuff right up there with cold beer, rolled toilet paper, and sex (with a human female weighing less than 150lbs).

 

[talonlm]

Less than 150? Fat chicks need love, too!

 

[SpitfireV]

The USAF did a study about all USAF air to air engagements and USN/USMC engagements where guns or missiles are actually fired called Project Red Baron. Apparently it has been declassified. The documents in their original form were each in their own 3 inch binder. It will take a few minutes to down load.


Volume 1- http://handle.dtic.mil/100.2/ADC003627

Volume 2- http://handle.dtic.mil/100.2/ADC003628

Volume 3- http://handle.dtic.mil/100.2/ADC003629


The stuff is kinda geeky, but if your into air to air shit this stuff right up there with cold beer, rolled toilet paper, and sex (with a human female weighing less than 150lbs).

Yeah I am into that geeky shit, thanks for the links

 

[Marauder06]

So what do you all think? Is Syria really dumb enough to overtly use chem weapons on its own people right now?

http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_new...-syria-moving-chemical-weapons-stockpile?lite

A U.S. official confirmed Friday that the Syrian regime has been moving elements of its chemical weapons stockpile in recent days, an action that has U.S. officials both concerned and perplexed.
"We don't know why" they have begun moving chemical weapons from storage, the source said, refusing to speculate whether President Bashar Assad's regime could be preparing to use the weapons on the civilian uprising.