Iraq and ISIS Discussion

[CDG]

Last time I paid attention to this, only our B2s and F22s had the penetration capabilities to adequately counter the Russian or Chinese IADS. (I don't know about the F-35). And MC-12s conducting aerial ISR wouldn't stand a chance. SEAD/DEAD is going to be a significant challenge with these highly mobile platforms.

And the only reason for the Russians to have installed a sophisticated IADS network in Syria is as a counter to US/Coalition aircraft, a figurative "I gotcha" just in case you guys are planning anything we don't agree with. They face no threat of aerial attack from ISIS.

The F-35 will be just fine against an advanced IADS system. We may argue about its usefulness for CAS, but that plane is insanely capable in a denied/contested environment.

 

[DA SWO]

I think the main concern is the Russian sponsored IADS network in Syria. It's not something we want to be dodging while conducting bombing runs on ISIS. Still, I think the most vulnerable aviation is aerial ISR. I've been reading over the source material for the INSCOM 2025 planning - as the command tries to figure out the IWfF structure for the 2025-2040 'mid-term' threats in the Army strategy documents. They say 'near-peer' threat - but of course they mean Russia and China. Anyways, in it the IWfF is still talking about aerial ISR - especially FMV - as though that's going to be all over the place because the 'demand signal' is so high now. I think it's ridiculous because most aerial ISR - but especially FMV - is incredibly vulnerable to modern anti-aircraft technology. The 116th MI BDE and the USAF ought to be shitting their pants over the threat to aerial ISR the IADS in Syria - or even turning loose mobile systems - pose to that fleet. Hopefully if we wake up to the threat now we'll take a different look at how we plan aerial ISR against anyone who is not insurgents with small-arms.

Last time I paid attention to this, only our B2s and F22s had the penetration capabilities to adequately counter the Russian or Chinese IADS. (I don't know about the F-35). And MC-12s conducting aerial ISR wouldn't stand a chance. SEAD/DEAD is going to be a significant challenge with these highly mobile platforms.

And the only reason for the Russians to have installed a sophisticated IADS network in Syria is as a counter to US/Coalition aircraft, a figurative "I gotcha" just in case you guys are planning anything we don't agree with. They face no threat of aerial attack from ISIS.

And the Air Force got creamed by most people for trying to develop these systems while OEF/OIF were running, how many times did you read an internet comment about buying fewer aircraft to allow the Army the option of buying more stuff?

SecDef Gates had a personal vendetta against the AF and the folks flying (and on the ground) will be the ones who pay the price.

 

[ThunderHorse]

And the Air Force got creamed by most people for trying to develop these systems while OEF/OIF were running, how many times did you read an internet comment about buying fewer aircraft to allow the Army the option of buying more stuff?

SecDef Gates had a personal vendetta against the AF and the folks flying (and on the ground) will be the ones who pay the price.

Quantity has a quality all of it's own...one of those is driving unit prices down.

 

[Il Duce]

Last time I paid attention to this, only our B2s and F22s had the penetration capabilities to adequately counter the Russian or Chinese IADS. (I don't know about the F-35). And MC-12s conducting aerial ISR wouldn't stand a chance. SEAD/DEAD is going to be a significant challenge with these highly mobile platforms.

And the only reason for the Russians to have installed a sophisticated IADS network in Syria is as a counter to US/Coalition aircraft, a figurative "I gotcha" just in case you guys are planning anything we don't agree with. They face no threat of aerial attack from ISIS.

I think that's one of the ironies/unintended consequences of American intervention from the air only. It tells unfriendly - or potentially unfriendly - countries they need to invest in a Russian-made IADS to deter the chances of the US fucking with their repression.

 

[Gunz]

I think that's one of the ironies/unintended consequences of American intervention from the air only. It tells unfriendly - or potentially unfriendly - countries they need to invest in a Russian-made IADS to deter the chances of the US fucking with their repression.

Russia and China have been outfitting their other allies with these S-400, S-300, S-200 systems including Iran and Venezuela.

North Korea was showing off an upgraded SA-3 system a few years back and apparently have something close to the Russian S-300 now.

 

[ThunderHorse]

So the USS Ross held a CoC...great way to go out as a skipper I suppose...kind says bad juju USS Ross Holds Change of Command Ceremony

 

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[ThunderHorse]

The article says this was a previously "regularly scheduled Change of Command Ceremony."

So what is the issue here? You seem to be passively suggesting that is a bad thing. Where is the "bad juju" that you are suggesting here?

What am I suggesting...that this could be in the 2017 fired commanders thread. Seems truly a bit random and foreign to me. I've seen some weird BN level CoCs in my life, but that's a good one.

Mod edit for spelling correction in quote used above.

 

[Gunz]

What am I suggesting...that this could be in the 2017 fired commanders thread. Seems truly a bit random and foreign to me. I've seen some weird BN level CoCs in my life, but that's a good one.

Disagree because

Regularly scheduled CoC...Routine port visit...Nothing to see here, folks...move along.

USS Ross Holds Change of Command Ceremony

There's nothing "weird" about this. Nobody's been fired.

 

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[CDG]

The USS Ross was the ship I was stationed when I was in the Navy. Small world.

 

[ThunderHorse]

@Redflag1 what dirt am I trying to throw on. I'm not a Navy man, but from my fox hole in Army land, it seems a bit weird to me. And it was relevant to this thread because the ship had taken part in said successful mission.

The Navy guys can talk about how often they have CoCs mid cruise. Just seems weird and ominous.

 

[pardus]

What am I suggesting...that this could be in the 2017 fired commanders thread. Seems truly a bit random and foreign to me. I've seen some weird BN level CoCs in my life, but that's a good one.

@Redflag1 what dirt am I trying to throw on. I'm not a Navy man, but from my fox hole in Army land, it seems a bit weird to me. And it was relevant to this thread because the ship had taken part in said successful mission.

The Navy guys can talk about how often they have CoCs mid cruise. Just seems weird and ominous.

So because you are unfamiliar with the whole thing, you jump to the conclusion that the CPT is a shitbag?

 

[AWP]

What am I suggesting...that this could be in the 2017 fired commanders thread. Seems truly a bit random and foreign to me. I've seen some weird BN level CoCs in my life, but that's a good one.

Mod edit for spelling correction in quote used above.

Please tell us about your experience with the Navy's personnel system.

 

[CDG]

The Navy guys can talk about how often they have CoCs mid cruise. Just seems weird and ominous.

Weird and ominous? Lol. Ok. It happens regularly. Ships will swap out entire crews while deployed.

 

[pardus]

Weird and ominous? Lol. Ok. It happens regularly. Ships will swap out entire crews while deployed.

 

[Teufel]

The incoming commanding officer was probably already on the ship as her XO. The Navy does that a lot to get guys up to speed before taking command. The CDR probably changed command in April to hit the summer PCS season and maybe head to Top Level School.

 

[Gunz]

Bridge-cam video. What really happened aboard the USS Ross...

 

[DA SWO]

What am I suggesting...that this could be in the 2017 fired commanders thread. Seems truly a bit random and foreign to me. I've seen some weird BN level CoCs in my life, but that's a good one.

Mod edit for spelling correction in quote used above.

It was a 17 month command tour with a Change of Command, I doubt they would relieve the skipper and put a glowing press release out.

The incoming commanding officer was probably already on the ship as her XO. The Navy does that a lot to get guys up to speed before taking command. The CDR probably changed command in April to hit the summer PCS season and maybe head to Top Level School.

The XO took over after serving as XO for 18 months (I read the release).

 

[Il Duce]

It was a 17 month command tour with a Change of Command, I doubt they would relieve the skipper and put a glowing press release out.



The XO took over after serving as XO for 18 months (I read the release).

We have to read shit before commenting on it now, dammit! :wall: