If this is accurate, I'd say BDA will show Fordow is dust.
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If this is accurate, I'd say BDA will show Fordow is dust.
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Iran said they're considering blocking the Straits of Hormuz. They are doubling down on stupid.
Lol, apparently it didn't share on the slide I wanted. This is what I was talking about.
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While I may not have been a huge proponent of getting involved, I'm not losing sleep over the strike either. It's done, so now it'll be interesting to see BDA and subsequent impact of this action over the coming days and weeks. Was the strike as effective as we'd wanted? I believe this was a limited strike with no intention for a larger commitment. So, that's good.
I do appreciate the idea that the administration is following through on what it says and holding parties accountable. Iran was given opportunity and now sees consequences. There's probably a broader message here as well.
Also, OPSEC for this strike appears to have been good, based on the number of Dem heads in Congress that exploded
What options does Iran have left to respond? Close the Strait of Hormuz? Good luck with that.
I do appreciate the idea that the administration is following through on what it says and holding parties accountable. Iran was given opportunity and now sees consequences. There's probably a broader message here as well.
Also, OPSEC for this strike appears to have been good, based on the number of Dem heads in Congress that exploded
What options does Iran have left to respond? Close the Strait of Hormuz? Good luck with that.
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Nah, they're just mad they weren't in the Signal chat group.
Same things that led to 9/11. Failure within the chain is always a possibility.
^ solid assessment.
The timing and specificity of intel warnings are also important. As much as I loathe politicians blaming everything on intel, sometimes it's intel's fault. Not sure if that's the case here; maybe there was in fact enough specificity to act, and those who were supposed to didn't. But somebody who is always starting some shit, starting some some kind of unspecified shit at some unspecified time and place is way different than OMG IN ONE HOUR THEY ARE COMING OVER THE WALLS IN MUTHAFUKIN GLIDERZZZZ!!!! FOR GOD'S SAKE ROLL THE MERKAVAS, MR. PRIME MINISTER!!!!!
Also, Hamas knows how the Israelis work. For years, they were testing boundaries and lulling their opponents into a lower state of readiness
That's why it's important to crack down on things while they're small, so they don't build up to this. It's similar to the situation in America; we ignore people pushing cops, so then they get emboldened and start throwing bottles. Then firecrakers. Then large rocks. Eventually it will be Molotovs and bullets. And people will wonder how we get it get to that level, just like a whole bunch of people wondered how the October 7th attacks could have ever happened.
Sometimes it's hard to absorb the enormity of a situation in the moment. Nothing this big, this well-organized, this complex, and this successful was ever even attempted AFAIK. Not by Hamas. It could have been hard to tell in the opening hours that this was something more than a performative push against the wall and a more-intense-than-usual projective barrage.
Also, a whole lot of Israelis, particularly liberal lawmakers, thought that their pacification campaign was working. "The Palestinians are just like us, they want the same things we do. Look, we can all get along, we're giving you jobs, trusting you to come into our country, our homes; we're spending millions on educating your children, this is DEFINITELY going to work. There is no need for further bloodshed." Meanwhile, Hamas: "Hold my keffiyah, Jew dogs."
I think there is going to be a lot of noise about this, partly from peoples' genuinely held beliefs that this is a bad thing, but more often because this was a clear win for Trump, and we just can't have that.
I think secretly, if not overtly, a lot of the people in the world who really matter, including (and especially) normies like us, will see this as a good thing in the long term. Reasonable people will disagree, and that's OK too.
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Simplest option would be re-authorizing militias attacks on positions in Iraq. Second simplest option would be directly launching against those bases from Iran.
I think the first option is almost a given at this point. The second is a possibility because of our direct involvement in attacks on nuclear facilities.
Guess we’ll see what happens.
