I knew what Gaza was going to look like today back on Oct. 7.
The world keeps turing.
The world keeps turing.
That's what I've said about occupation models on this board for a very long time. Also, if you apply the WWII model the civilian casualty numbers were staggering as we bombed "military" targets and often missed. So you killed a lot of civilians and then ruled them under heavy occupation as you rebuilt their institutions. And then we stayed there for another 50 years.As many of us know all too well, winning the war is the easy part. Like the Nazis who never gave up their allegiance to Hitler, the Gazans simply can not comprehend a world without Hamas running things. To many of them, every alternative is worse than what they're enduring now.
Changing the Palestinians' views will be a generational challenge and Israel will be a huge problem the entire time.
That's an important part of what's missing in modern warfare. We're so concerned about "proportionality" and civilian casualties and all kinds of mis-learned lessons from WWII that we no longer have the stomach to do what it takes to really win a war. If people don't know they're defeated... why would they ever stop fighting? Things have to get "bad enough" for them to see peace on our terms as far preferable to the alternative.That's what I've said about occupation models on this board for a very long time. Also, if you apply the WWII model the civilian casualty numbers were staggering as we bombed "military" targets and often missed. So you killed a lot of civilians and then ruled them under heavy occupation as you rebuilt their institutions. And then we stayed there for another 50 years.
I think this is sort of the point. The west (read: AWFULs and suicidal empaths) are the only people saying how terrible it is in Gaza.That's an important part of what's missing in modern warfare. We're so concerned about "proportionality" and civilian casualties and all kinds of mis-learned lessons from WWII that we no longer have the stomach to do what it takes to really win a war. If people don't know they're defeated... why would they ever stop fighting? Things have to get "bad enough" for them to see peace on our terms as far preferable to the alternative.
what if I told you that different cultures value different things, and just because you care A LOT from America and want "what's best" for a culture of people you don't understand, the people might actually not want that and you might be a fucktard.
... but how do we get the blood and treasure from the last country on Kelly's list to destabilize if we do that?If only we had a recent 20-year war and some other cases to prove your point. Maybe a war Americans were exposed to almost daily.
Alright what’s the bets? Who pulls out first, who violates what?
Also, if this wacky thing holds…
From the river to the sea, Israel needs to be free.We will continue to play this game until Hamas is ousted. Very few people seem to grasp that point. The children, the suffering, the people, the blah, blah, blah. This will not end unless Hamas is ousted. Gone. "From the river to the sea" has to become a historical footnote, no longer a rallying cry.
You can make bombs faster than you can build buildings.
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And for such a bad, bad orange man, he certainly is generating peace deals.
We will continue to play this game until Hamas is ousted. Very few people seem to grasp that point. The children, the suffering, the people, the blah, blah, blah. This will not end unless Hamas is ousted. Gone. "From the river to the sea" has to become a historical footnote, no longer a rallying cry.
You can make bombs faster than you can build buildings.
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And for such a bad, bad orange man, he certainly is generating peace deals.