Israel and Iran

Topkick said:
Coincidence, I'm sure...

Eric, Don Jr. invest in military drone company amid Iran war

On another note, this "Netanyahu is MIA" thing is getting wild.
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So, uh... the last 3 videos they have put out for proof of life have been savaged and exposed as AI. The coffee shop video? Nope. The meeting Israeli soldiers? That one took about 2 seconds to figure out. The first one? It wasn't just the 6 fingers (disputed)... there were way more obviously rendered parts of that video.

So the question is- if Bibi was alive, why make the AI videos? Because those WERE AI videos. They tripped even the free AI detectors. The internet always provides. How hard would it be for Bibi to make any first person video or a video of what he is doing right this second to squash all this and it's been days.

Until I see Bibi at a security council meeting with other people (he was, remarkably, absent at the last one for the first time ever, while his country is at war)... Bibi is dead.

Guess we will see, but I am a 99.5% sure he's either dead or severely injured until proven otherwise. Wild times.
 
Topkick said:
Coincidence, I'm sure...

Eric, Don Jr. invest in military drone company amid Iran war

On another note, this "Netanyahu is MIA" thing is getting wild.
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He's heavily invested in polymarket. Also, he's a "strategic advisor" for both them and Kalshi.

Now, no idea who they are, but there accounts that made tons of money off betting Just hours before bombs dropped on Iran.

amlove21 said:
So, uh... the last 3 videos they have put out for proof of life have been savaged and exposed as AI. The coffee shop video? Nope. The meeting Israeli soldiers? That one took about 2 seconds to figure out. The first one? It wasn't just the 6 fingers (disputed)... there were way more obviously rendered parts of that video.

So the question is- if Bibi was alive, why make the AI videos? Because those WERE AI videos. They tripped even the free AI detectors. The internet always provides. How hard would it be for Bibi to make any first person video or a video of what he is doing right this second to squash all this and it's been days.

Until I see Bibi at a security council meeting with other people (he was, remarkably, absent at the last one for the first time ever, while his country is at war)... Bibi is dead.

Guess we will see, but I am a 99.5% sure he's either dead or severely injured until proven otherwise. Wild times.
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They've got photos from the coffee shop video that haven't been run through a filter. I don't think it's fake.

That said, if I wanna indulge in a wee bit of interdimensional chess:
The video being weird is intentional. It's being used to generate discourse about how people looking for signs of AI in videos are "crazy". The goal is to have average people think all AI is still Italian brain rot levels of fake, not the nearly passing things that improve everyday.


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His letter, slightly more readable…

President Trump,

After much reflection, I have decided to resign from my position as Director of the National Counterterrorism Center, effective today.

I cannot in good conscience support the ongoing war in Iran. Iran posed no imminent threat to our nation, and it is clear that we started this war due to pressure from Israel and its powerful American lobby.

I support the values and the foreign policies that you campaigned on in 2016, 2020, 2024, which you enacted in your first term. Until June of 2025, you understood that the wars in the Middle East were a trap that robbed America of the precious lives of our patriots and depleted the wealth and prosperity of our nation.

In your first administration, you understood better than any modern President how to decisively apply military power without getting us drawn into never-ending wars. You demonstrated this by killing Qasam Solamani and by defeating ISIS.

Early in this administration, high-ranking Israeli officials and influential members of the American media deployed a misinformation campaign that wholly undermined your America First platform and sowed pro-war sentiments to encourage a war with Iran. This echo chamber was used to deceive you into believing that Iran posed an imminent threat to the United States, and that should you strike now, there was a clear path to a swift victory. This was a lie and is the same tactic the Israelis used to draw us into the disastrous Iraq war that cost our nation the lives of thousands of our best men and women. We cannot make this mistake again.

As a veteran who deployed to combat 11 times and as a Gold Star husband who lost my beloved wife Shannon in a war manufactured by Israel, I cannot support sending the next generation off to fight and die in a war that serves no benefit to the American people nor justifies the cost of American lives.

I pray that you will reflect upon what we are doing in Iran, and who we are doing it for. The time for bold action is now. You can reverse course and chart a new path for our nation, or you can allow us to slip further toward decline and chaos. You hold the cards.

It was an honor to serve in your administration and to serve our great nation.

[Signature]

Joseph Kent

Director, National Counterterrorism Center
 
Good people can have differing viewpoints.

I certainly don’t have insight to all the information Joe Kent does, but based on what I've seen and the action taken so far, I have no issues with stated objective and strikes on Iran. The next few weeks are important and if our scope changes and/or this drags on, my view may change.
 
Blizzard said:
Good people can have differing viewpoints.

I certainly don’t have insight to all the information Joe Kent does, but based on what I've seen and the action taken so far, I have no issues with stated objective and strikes on Iran. The next few weeks are important and if our scope changes and/or this drags on, my view may change.
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This is where I am.
 
AWP said:
I'm cynical enough to think this is the straw that broke the camel's back. What other straws were in place before we began bombing Iran? No clue. I just can't believe Joe Kent, or many other folks, would resign over Iran and only Iran.
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Your cynicism must be contagious, because I tend to think the same.... Iran is his line, really? Maybe so, but my guess is there's more to it. 🤷
 
AWP said:
I'm cynical enough to think this is the straw that broke the camel's back. What other straws were in place before we began bombing Iran? No clue. I just can't believe Joe Kent, or many other folks, would resign over Iran and only Iran.
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I don't know Joe Kent. Everyone I know who has met him says he's a good dude. But everyone has an agenda. I wonder if this is convenient timing to garner national-level attention before, say, running for office or taking a job at an anti-Trump nonprofit.

It also seems odd to me that he'd be so anti-Iran war given the circumstances of his wife's death.

But, as previously stated, I don't know Joe, I don't know his wife, I don't know anything about her death, other than what was in the book he wrote about her (which was excellent) and I don't know what's in his heart. So maybe it is what he says it is, and this was a principles thing for him. And if that's the case, then good on him for holding true to them.
 
Cookie_ said:
He's heavily invested in polymarket. Also, he's a "strategic advisor" for both them and Kalshi.

Now, no idea who they are, but there accounts that made tons of money off betting Just hours before bombs dropped on Iran.



They've got photos from the coffee shop video that haven't been run through a filter. I don't think it's fake.

That said, if I wanna indulge in a wee bit of interdimensional chess:
The video being weird is intentional. It's being used to generate discourse about how people looking for signs of AI in videos are "crazy". The goal is to have average people think all AI is still Italian brain rot levels of fake, not the nearly passing things that improve everyday.
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I'd get your point it if it was one glitchy video (I think you're making the case they're doing it intentionally?)- but it's not. It's the last 3 consecutive videos. Which is odd.

I am totally willing to wait and see on this one, doesn't answer why the head of the country missed a security brief for his cabinet. Doesn't explain why he isn't holding pressers. It's just all weird.


 
Marauder06 said:
It also seems odd to me that he'd be so anti-Iran war given the circumstances of his wife's death.
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This is the piece that's a bit of a headscratcher for me as well. The way I recall, he was kind of on the warpath/"revenge tour", for lack of a better term, after her death. As a result, it would seem to make sense for him to be all in on Iran. Maybe I misunderstood.

But, maybe it's like @AWP says -- this is more about being anti-Israel than anti-Iran? Who knows. I don't follow Kent that closely and won't pretend to know his motivations.
 
The NCTC specifically and our larger national security apparatus has spent a lot of time and effort over the last 30 or 40 years clearly communicating to us that Iran is very much a national security threat.
Democrats
Republicans
Independents
...and then suddenly - POOF - a guy at the top of his field quits his job because the government (aka - an organization that he was in charge of) has been lying to us all along ??

It doesn't make sense to me; not only does the timing seem odd, but this is part of a national apparatus that is responsible for countering the very type of state terrorism that Iran has been sponsoring for almost 50 years now.
Why now?
Why after they have spent BILLIONS of tax payer dollars - over multiple generations - fighting what they have CONSISTENLY told the American tax payer was an existential threat...
...for the boss to quit his job over the POTUS attacking a country that posed no imminent threat?
...if it was THAT much a matter of "good conscience" then shouldn't he have resigned before so much damage was done?

So I am now to believe that "Iran" - the quintessential leader in state sponsored international terrorism - poses no imminent threat to the United States of America?
Because one guy quit his job?

Mother fuck - I did NOT see this one coming at all. I'd say I'm confused, but that just doesn't quite convey the thought process of cognitive dissonance taking place inside of my blindly partisan brain right now.
I reckon they have been telling us a big fat lie about the who the REAL boogie man really was all these years.

Next thing you know, they are going to tell us that pro wrestling is fake - and that UFOs are real.


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Joe Kent's resignation doesn't sit right with me. I don't want to believe what he's saying but his ears are more privileged than mine. For him to say Iran is not a threat to us is also not so true. Not an existential threat to CONUS I agree, until they got longer range hypersonic ICBMs or submarine launched nukes. Overseas Iran is a huge threat to Americans. I know, one of their drones was out for Americans not to long ago. That was Iran.

While we're on the subject Russia too. Maybe China? Fuck them both. But yeah, now they are using fiber optic drones to attack U.S. positions. Look that up on Insta if you don't believe me.

Sucks.
 
amlove21 said:
I'd get your point it if it was one glitchy video (I think you're making the case they're doing it intentionally?)- but it's not. It's the last 3 consecutive videos. Which is odd.
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I think it's more likely they're intentionally doing it than Bibi is dead/unavailable.

AWP said:
But is this anti-Iran or anti-Israel, specifically Israeli control of the USG? Iran's just the latest, deadliest manifestation of Israeli influence? His letter could certainly be viewed in that light.
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That's how I'm reading it. When this started, Rubio made comments that sort of implied Isreal dragged us into this.

We knew that there was going to be an Israeli action" against Iran, Rubio told reporters on Capitol Hill on Monday. "We knew that that would precipitate an attack against American forces" by the Iranian regime.

"And we knew that if we didn't preemptively go after them before they launched those attacks, we would suffer higher casualties ... And then we would all be here answering questions about why we knew that and didn't act," Rubio continued.
Rubio added later: "Obviously, we were aware of Israeli intentions and understood what that would mean for us, and we had to be prepared to act as a result of it. But this had to happen no matter what."
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Idk how widespread the sentiment actually is in the real world, but I've seen a fair amount of comments online that are similar to Kent's.
 
Israel being the one that pushed us into it is a scapegoat to me and whether it's true or not doesn't matter because Iran has always been a threat to world peace ever since way back in 1979. And it doesn't matter which US President had finally done it, loved or hated, Iran was easily something to drop the partisan politics and hop on board the Iran gets curb stomped train.

Israel in a constant state of war with it's neighbors not by choice gives Israel a free pass. And ever since OCT 7th which in my opinion was crimes against humanity what the Palestinians had done, F it, they get an even bigger pass. And yes I said Palestinians, not Hamas. They all voted for Hamas to rule them, they all support Hamas, they all danced twice in the streets with the shuttle tragedy because it had an Israeli astronaut inside and when our towers were hit so F them and F Gaza and anyone who supports Palestine and Iran is a major supporter of.

And I am also Jewish and have been exposed to and faced anti-Semitism here in the US, Israel gets a pass threefold now. IDGAF. Agree with me, don't agree with me, my line in the sand won't change or bend over this or with Iran.
 
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BlackSmokeRisinG said:
Joe Kent's resignation doesn't sit right with me. I don't want to believe what he's saying but his ears are more privileged than mine. For him to say Iran is not a threat to us is also not so true. Not an existential threat to CONUS I agree, until they got longer range hypersonic ICBMs or submarine launched nukes. Overseas Iran is a huge threat to Americans. I know, one of their drones was out for Americans not to long ago. That was Iran.

While we're on the subject Russia too. Maybe China? Fuck them both. But yeah, now they are using fiber optic drones to attack U.S. positions. Look that up on Insta if you don't believe me.

Sucks.
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Joe Kent apparently has been leaking information and has been sidelined from classified briefings for months, so he's not really privileged to know what went down.

Iran has been one of the largest sponsors of terror effecting the US, had it coming.
 
ThunderHorse said:
Joe Kent apparently has been leaking information and has been sidelined from classified briefings for months, so he's not really privileged to know what went down.

Iran has been one of the largest sponsors of terror effecting the US, had it coming.
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Source? You know that for a fact, or are you repeating what an AIPAC funded politician said?
 

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