Topkick
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I think every other country is a threat to some degree. Iran now more than ever.
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The "you can't fire me, I quit" angle that other members brought up earlier is also plausible. If that were the case, quitting in this manner allows him to go out a martyr and preserve political options, especially as a member of the anti-Trump and anti-Israel right.
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I think you you can be anti war without being anti Trump or anti Israel.
I saw him face to face a few months ago. I'm a nobody, not claiming to know him or even meet him, but I knew his presence meant something big was going down. Just recognized him from SRS. The U.S. had a couple other things going on, but it was after the 12 day bombing excursion so I have to think he already knew the current events were coming last fall.
Does anybody remember anything specific about what he said about Iran on SRS? The only takeaways I recall were Iran wants us dead and there were thousands of known jihads that crossed the southern border.
Does anybody remember anything specific about what he said about Iran on SRS? The only takeaways I recall were Iran wants us dead and there were thousands of known jihads that crossed the southern border.
ThunderHorse
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When their neighbors continuously try to wipe them off the map, then yes. Do I feel like they owe us A LOT for the USS Liberty? That debt remains unpaid.
Sure. Being argumentative. But in another thread we talked about raising children to be independent thinkers. The truth is always in the middle and a lot of people in this thread are rushing to "OMG Kent is a saint because he served and lost his wife, the administration has to be all wrong, this must have been a camelbreakig straw yadayada."
Idk what the truth is, based on comments from the administration and members of the Gang of Eight. Kent hasn't been in these briefings for months. He was probably given a chance to bow out gracefully and be reassigned to another role like Kristi Noem has been. Clearly he somehow found that option untenable. However consider his resignation letter. Consider his alignment with Tucker Carlson who is aligned with Nick Fuentes. He's showing more conspiracy theory nonsense than critical thought. But those are the tea leaves I'm reading.
He served in combat and his wife was KIA in combat. For that he has my respect. But his resignation letter also ticks away at the respect I had for him. But it sounds like no one on here knows him or is even within three degrees of him.
But you said I missed your point, happy for you to break it down in plain English so I understand your position.
It's pretty convenient that there is this whole apparatus on the right that he can now join and grift with. He doesn't even have to join the Left.
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He's got a point
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Seems like the venn diagram between the three have a lot of overlap though. It's kind of fashionable to be all of these things. Guy lost is wife and you can't blame him for just not being about it without a really clear existential threat.
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I've always been America first, not MAGA. I agree with people like Joe Kent, MTG, Joe Rogan, and Tucker Carlson. They too still praise Trump for a lot of things he does, but disagree with war in Iran.
But, there are contracts to be had and the military industrial complex must roll on.
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People need to realize that when you are prior SOF with a bunch of deployments - your politics are pretty much beyond reproach.
You cannot be wrong for a number of reasons...
..."you've been there"
..."you've done that"
...you are a "veteran"
...you have lost friends and loved ones
If you tick off a few of these boxes, you cannot be challenged in a public forum because you have "earned" your bullshit.
It doesn't matter if your personal positions and comments with other conflict with previously held positions and comments; besides, people are allowed to change their minds. I used to like my coffee black, then I liked it with cream and sugar, now I like it with oatmilk and sugar-free vanilla.
Joe is entitled to his own private opinion - even if he IS in a position of public trust during a time of national conflict.
...some people say that cucumbers taste better pickled
It's like that guy with the eye patch - it doesn't matter that his politics are for shit - he's a VETERAN
...he is a former Navy SEAL
C'mon man - you CANNOT call out veterans when they do shit that doesn't make any sense - because, you know, "the thing"
I can't WAIT until I get issued my veteran "Get Out of Jail -for Saying and Doing Silly Shit- Free card" because believe me - I have some seriously fucked up shit I'd like to say...
...but I can't
...because I'm not 'vet' enough
...yet
...but I'm working on it
Joe Kent only speaks The Truth™
and now he's played his vet card - discussion over
Next Slide........
You cannot be wrong for a number of reasons...
..."you've been there"
..."you've done that"
...you are a "veteran"
...you have lost friends and loved ones
If you tick off a few of these boxes, you cannot be challenged in a public forum because you have "earned" your bullshit.
It doesn't matter if your personal positions and comments with other conflict with previously held positions and comments; besides, people are allowed to change their minds. I used to like my coffee black, then I liked it with cream and sugar, now I like it with oatmilk and sugar-free vanilla.
Joe is entitled to his own private opinion - even if he IS in a position of public trust during a time of national conflict.
...some people say that cucumbers taste better pickled
It's like that guy with the eye patch - it doesn't matter that his politics are for shit - he's a VETERAN
...he is a former Navy SEAL
C'mon man - you CANNOT call out veterans when they do shit that doesn't make any sense - because, you know, "the thing"
I can't WAIT until I get issued my veteran "Get Out of Jail -for Saying and Doing Silly Shit- Free card" because believe me - I have some seriously fucked up shit I'd like to say...
...but I can't
...because I'm not 'vet' enough
...yet
...but I'm working on it
Joe Kent only speaks The Truth™
and now he's played his vet card - discussion over
Next Slide........
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Makes me wonder if his departure is related to insider knowledge on plans to deploy ground troops to Iran, which would be an escalation.
The Quartermaster
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I wonder if the Tripoli being sent was a need for more aircraft or to take possession of a few islands to provide security while they clear mines in the Straight?
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Devildoc
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I think having a MEU on station gives us a wide range of capabilities; in addition to the ones you mention, there are also NEO, humanitarian operations, CSAR, etc. Always good to have in one's back pocket.
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"in his recent position" is the entire point (I think) - that I am trying to make with my empty, politically biased, right wing sycophant, sarcasm
He "was" in a position of public trust. Yet, he seemingly waited until he could squeeze "media impact" out of his resignation.
I spent a few days in the service of this nation - MANY of the people on this board spent a few days (maybe more) in the service of this nation.
...and it is just mt two cents that this - "cannot in good conscience support the ongoing thing" - is a bunch of horseshit
I remember having to wear an "Army Values" dog tag around my neck that oddly coincided with Bill Clinton sodomizing a government clerk - but I didn't just get to say "I cannot in good conscience support this ongoing conflict " in Bosnia, Haiti, Kosovo, or Kuwait becuase I didn't agree with him.
When Obama used a drone strike for the extra judicial killing of an American citizen - were "we the people" all OK with that?
Was everyone that served in Iraq and Afghanistan well after we realized that we had overstayed and outran our headlights - STILL OK- with serving?
...even AFTER it became mainstream that MAAAAYBE we used poor intel as an excuse to initiate hostilities?
How many of us left service because we couldn't "in good conscience" support the POTUS ??
How many of us chose to enter the private sector - free of the military industrial complex - when we realized that the defense industry was just in it for profit ??
"The ongoing war in Iran" didn't happen overnight - he didn't just get "trolled" a few days ago - we dropped bombs on their asses LAST YEAR - and yet, his conscience remained intact. Still he didn't have a battle with his principles until just recently and even then, it was a solid three weeks after we started destroying a force that HE HIMSELF has described as a threat. Now - suddenly - overnight - because he was trolled by the evil Orangeman - and because he "knows" that this isn't about national security - its about 'Israel bad' - because he said so. If he wants me to listen, he needs to come clean with the evidence that Israel is driving this train. Otherwise its just sensationalized talk that seems to be the typical setup for a run at elected office.
He can't change the past - either he has been telling everyone a lie about the threat - or he is telling a lie now. In short...
Fuck Joe Kent - he quit - he is no longer part of the effort, good or bad - he's got what he wanted - time to move on Joe - next slide....
He "was" in a position of public trust. Yet, he seemingly waited until he could squeeze "media impact" out of his resignation.
I spent a few days in the service of this nation - MANY of the people on this board spent a few days (maybe more) in the service of this nation.
...and it is just mt two cents that this - "cannot in good conscience support the ongoing thing" - is a bunch of horseshit
I remember having to wear an "Army Values" dog tag around my neck that oddly coincided with Bill Clinton sodomizing a government clerk - but I didn't just get to say "I cannot in good conscience support this ongoing conflict " in Bosnia, Haiti, Kosovo, or Kuwait becuase I didn't agree with him.
When Obama used a drone strike for the extra judicial killing of an American citizen - were "we the people" all OK with that?
Was everyone that served in Iraq and Afghanistan well after we realized that we had overstayed and outran our headlights - STILL OK- with serving?
...even AFTER it became mainstream that MAAAAYBE we used poor intel as an excuse to initiate hostilities?
How many of us left service because we couldn't "in good conscience" support the POTUS ??
How many of us chose to enter the private sector - free of the military industrial complex - when we realized that the defense industry was just in it for profit ??
"The ongoing war in Iran" didn't happen overnight - he didn't just get "trolled" a few days ago - we dropped bombs on their asses LAST YEAR - and yet, his conscience remained intact. Still he didn't have a battle with his principles until just recently and even then, it was a solid three weeks after we started destroying a force that HE HIMSELF has described as a threat. Now - suddenly - overnight - because he was trolled by the evil Orangeman - and because he "knows" that this isn't about national security - its about 'Israel bad' - because he said so. If he wants me to listen, he needs to come clean with the evidence that Israel is driving this train. Otherwise its just sensationalized talk that seems to be the typical setup for a run at elected office.
He can't change the past - either he has been telling everyone a lie about the threat - or he is telling a lie now. In short...
Fuck Joe Kent - he quit - he is no longer part of the effort, good or bad - he's got what he wanted - time to move on Joe - next slide....
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Sure you can. But Joe Kent isn't, and that's what we're talking about.
Topkick
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Okay, maybe I'm not informed enough about how Kent is anti Trump and anti Israel. I'll do some more research. I didn't see that in his resignation letter.
The closest you'll get to an objective "Joe Kent is involved in leaking" is his inclusion in the larger SignalGate issue. He engaged in there on behalf of Gabbard, and then defended it iduring his Senate confirmation hearing.
So, if you had strong words about the SignalGate and painted everyone in there with a broad brush as leaking war plans (not saying either of you did), then there's your square to circle on that one. He's either pure as the driven snow, or he leaked classified information once before. Choose your own adventure.
For the record, I was living in Washington state, loved Joe Kent and what he was trying to do there (he lost 2 times), and even if it turns out all the allegations (deep rumors about a canary trap he got caught in and his resignation was an "I quit you can't fire me" sort of deal) turn out to be true- I am glad that a politician was just willing to be honest and say "I dont agree with this admin on this issue, I am out."
Watching everyone on the right just jump in lock step for the character assasination/cancel culture surrounding this one gives me the ick.
ThunderHorse
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I remember a lot of people had strong "feelings" about Obama on this board and more than a few about Trump during his first administration and I remember getting a lot of hate for telling them that being in service to your country is voluntary. The Service be that military service or civil, is not a train station and they are not trains. There need not be an announcement of their arrival or their departure. Only that they work while they're here.
Dude just engagement farmed and bunch of people are falling for it.
Fellow Aaron Bro, remember just because someone says they quit doesn't mean they weren't fired. Happens all the time.
ETA: When personnel quit or are fired they are not eligible for unemployment. They are only eligible for unemployment if they were laid off. Where this is different for service members is that once your contract is up is you're eligibly for unemployment...I stupidly did not file for unemployment after leaving active service. Would have made life slightly easier at the time.
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