Israel and Iran

[Crusader74]

I've seen footage of a C-295W that the Air Force is allegedly using. We've been using that platform for years. Good to see the biggest Air Force in the world using them as I think it gives some credence to their value.

 

[Crusader74]

This may be an OPSEC violation, but sometimes we need to know the real story and this one is simply too important not to share:
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Seems legit

 

[Marauder06]

The Drop-Site tweet in question is a follow-up from them quoting Jack Murphy saying the WSO was rescued. Maybe it's just the way I'm interpreting it, but with that context the tweet seems to be more showing that the Iranians are verifying the bombings were happening, not that they "caught the pilot".

https://twitter.com/x/status/2040568154959610288

That's not the part people are upset about. This is:

 

[Jaknight]

This may be an OPSEC violation, but sometimes we need to know the real story and this one is simply too important not to share:
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This will be far better than the other alleged story of we tried to raid a nuclear facility and got ambushed and had to retreat and covered it up saying it was a rescue mission

 

[Cookie_]

That's not the part people are upset about. This is:

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Right, I understand why people are upset. I'm saying that, in context, it reads that Kent is retweeting it because state media is confirming the bombings around the area are real, not because he thinks we were trying to kill the pilot.

ETA: I think a lot of people (generally) don't understand that reporting on what other countries say is not "spreading propaganda" in and of itself. This one was just reporting; stories claiming We have almost 1000 casualties and dozens of KIA started from propaganda.

 

[DA SWO]

So my inner gun nerd is dying to ask this: does every fighter crew get the folding M4 survival carbine? Did both the pilot and WSO each have one? Asking for a shitposter on reddit who wants to start trolling the larp hards.

Yes, it's in the survival kit ( seat pack).

 

[Topkick]

Right, I understand why people are upset. I'm saying that, in context, it reads that Kent is retweeting it because state media is confirming the bombings around the area are real, not because he thinks we were trying to kill the pilot.

ETA: I think a lot of people (generally) don't understand that reporting on what other countries say is not "spreading propaganda" in and of itself. This one was just reporting; stories claiming We have almost 1000 casualties and dozens of KIA started from propaganda.

I didn't take it that Kent was spreading propaganda, thats ridiculous. I think he's pointing out that the enemy is attempting to use propaganda.

 

[Ranger Psych]

I just hope that the guys got to do the scuttle drill we always briefed for statics prior to btfu time.

That and the pilots callsigns are now Taxiway and Tarmac because they're not allowed off either.

BZ mf'ers, even if the navy got involved.

 

[AWP]

Shout out to CNN for opining that striking infrastructure amounts to a war crime. They aren't calling out Iran's actions already committed, but saying if the US hits power plants it becomes a war crime.

It's tiring and I know the Left will never, ever let go of their obsession with Trump and trying to pin everything on him. I know that right, wrong, or other any move made by Trump and his admin. is automatically a crime worthy of jail or worse. I get it.

I'm not the biggest fan of some things the admin. has done. Far better than the other options? Of course. Things we didn't vote for or disagree with? Absolutely, that's life and dealing with people in general.

But Goddamn, give it a rest. It is so tiring that I see the complaints and hear the noise, but it is so tiring, so never ending, so... every fucking thing that I've tuned them out. I've done so a bit with the far Right, but not to the degree with the Left. Any valid argument they could make, if they are even capable of one, is ignored. The noise has rendered their arguments invalid and I auto-reject them out of hand now because of their crazy, hyperemotional actions. I can't be the only one tired of the schtick by both sides, but the Left is on a different plane. Have you ever worked in a warehouse? You know the "beep beep beep" of the backup on a forklift? If you hear that over and over every day it ceases to be a warning and becomes background noise. That's the Left's criticism of Trump to me.

Just shut the fuck up already. Beep beep beep beep...

 

[Marauder06]

I didn't take it that Kent was spreading propaganda, thats ridiculous. I think he's pointing out that the enemy is attempting to use propaganda.

Same. But when you're in the public eye you need to be careful, because anything you say (or don't say) can and will be used against you.

Ex-Trump counterterror honcho Joe Kent promotes disturbing Iranian propaganda claiming US tried to kill stranded soldier

 

[TLDR20]

Shout out to CNN for opining that striking infrastructure amounts to a war crime. They aren't calling out Iran's actions already committed, but saying if the US hits power plants it becomes a war crime.

It's tiring and I know the Left will never, ever let go of their obsession with Trump and trying to pin everything on him. I know that right, wrong, or other any move made by Trump and his admin. is automatically a crime worthy of jail or worse. I get it.

I'm not the biggest fan of some things the admin. has done. Far better than the other options? Of course. Things we didn't vote for or disagree with? Absolutely, that's life and dealing with people in general.

But Goddamn, give it a rest. It is so tiring that I see the complaints and hear the noise, but it is so tiring, so never ending, so... every fucking thing that I've tuned them out. I've done so a bit with the far Right, but not to the degree with the Left. Any valid argument they could make, if they are even capable of one, is ignored. The noise has rendered their arguments invalid and I auto-reject them out of hand now because of their crazy, hyperemotional actions. I can't be the only one tired of the schtick by both sides, but the Left is on a different plane. Have you ever worked in a warehouse? You know the "beep beep beep" of the backup on a forklift? If you hear that over and over every day it ceases to be a warning and becomes background noise. That's the Left's criticism of Trump to me.

Just shut the fuck up already. Beep beep beep beep...

How is blowing up a militarily viable target (bridge, power plant, etc…) ever a war crime? That we are allowing them to have electricity, or the internet for that matter is shocking to me.

I don’t enjoy the half measures. If we are going to bomb them, fucking bomb them, take out their entire grid, let them rebuild it later. Want to enrich uranium(supposedly?) good luck without any electricity nerds. Same for making drones, and missles. If it is gonna be an air war, be about it.

 

[Ooh-Rah]

One thing for certain… Never again in the future will anyone have the right to criticize a sitting president for what they tweet or say publicly.

 

[TLDR20]

One thing for certain… Never again in the future will anyone have the right to criticize a sitting president for what they tweet or say publicly.

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I sure hope we don’t use nuclear weapons. Crazy that I even need to say it.

 

[Cookie_]

How is blowing up a militarily viable target (bridge, power plant, etc…) ever a war crime? That we are allowing them to have electricity, or the internet for that matter is shocking to me.

Those would be considered dual status targets under the Geneva Convention; at that point, they have guidelines about Proportional response.

Under that argument, another provision of Protocol I — the "principle of proportionality" — comes into play.

"You would still have to weigh the military advantage anticipated against the civilian harm your attack will cause," Sterio said. "When it comes to cutting off power for thousands or tens of thousands of individuals, it may be argued that the civilian harm outweighs the military advantage."

The specific type of infrastructure targeted might matter, too.

Kenneth Roth, a former executive director of Human Rights Watch, told CNN that desalination plants — which produce more than half the drinking water for U.S.-allied Qatar and Bahrain, though less for Iran — "are purely civilian infrastructure. There is no legal argument whatsoever for attacking them."

Other types of infrastructure, such as power plants, might be more legally justifiable as targets, depending on how extensive their military use is.

So the "War Crime" conversation is more about targeting ALL bridges, powerplants, and desalination plants in the country, not that any of them are being targeted. (At least the conversation from people who aren't dumb).

I don't think we'll destroy actually hit everything, because surely we learned during the GWOT how damaging civilian populations can backfire.

One thing for certain… Never again in the future will anyone have the right to criticize a sitting president for what they tweet or say publicly.

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Crazy to basically say "we're about to commit a genocide."

Even as part of his normal "provocative" speech that's ridiculous.

 

[Devildoc]

The concept of "proportional response" is bullshit. I have always hated it. If a bully smacks me, I am not going to smack back 'just enough', I am going to beat the ever-living shit of him so he doesn't want to do anything to me ever again.

In other news, people on social media have absolutely lost their shit over the rescue; false-flag op to steal uranium gone wrong, etc.

 

[RackMaster]

The IRGC and gang are only hitting infrastructure and civilian targets at this point. So fuck them. The Iranian people don't give a fuck and want the bombs. Might as well air drop weapons at the same time, let the revolution grow.

 

[Cookie_]

The concept of "proportional response" is bullshit. I have always hated it. If a bully smacks me, I am not going to smack back 'just enough', I am going to beat the ever-living shit of him so he doesn't want to do anything to me ever again.

Proportional response let's you smack the shit out of him back, it's saying you dont get to also go beat up his little sister.

 

[Devildoc]

Proportional response let's you smack the shit out of him back, it's saying you dont get to also go beat up his little sister.

I don't know, man. If we followed the doctrine of proportional response in WW2 we probably would have lost. We did in Korea, Vietnam, those did not end too well.

 

[757]

This has always been the issue the West faces when taking on these radical Islamist regimes. Israel faced it in Gaza and now the IRGC is trying to replicate it in Iran.

One of the unfortunate side effects of trying to maintain a moral standard like the Law of Armed Conflict is that certain nations could not care less, and will actually attempt to weaponize our care for non-combatants against us.

 

[Devildoc]

This has always been the issue the West faces when taking on these radical Islamist regimes. Israel faced it in Gaza and now the IRGC is trying to replicate it in Iran.

One of the unfortunate side effects of trying to maintain a moral standard like the Law of Armed Conflict is that certain nations could not care less, and will actually attempt to weaponize our care for non-combatants against us.

I think that's a great point. These are two entirely separate cultures. How could we follow the law of armed conflict or engage in proportional response if they can't?