Let Marines be Marines: retaining servicemen

The Problem With ‘Let Marines Be Marines’[/QUOTE]

I am fully supportive of righteous anger about the MU nonsense. That's a sentiment echoed by every single Marine I know. I was at a Marine Transition Course when the MU scandal broke and the reaction was 100% pissed off.

This author is interpreting the data on sexual assaults wrong and could learn a thing or two about what he's running his mouth about .

I believe it is irresponsible journalism to draw the false conclusion that the Marine Corps has more repeat sexual assaults then the other branches. It is widely known at DOD-SAPRO (DOD-Sexual Assault Prevention & Response Office) that the other branches are not reporting the actual number of sexual assaults.

If there are ten rapes in the Army and ten rapes in the Marines, just because the Army reports 0 rapes doesn't make the Marines super-rapey because they report 7 and step on it for 3.

So, really, if the author is not supporting eliminating rape in the Marines, what is he really saying? I think he's saying he's doesn't give two shits about sexual assault prevention and response.

The Marine Corps is doing what it is supposed to do and is being spotlighted as the problem.

It is dillutes the conversation and shifts the focus from the actual problem and just does not support successfully prosecuting bonafide sexual assault in any of the branches.

Besides that, anadotal as it may be, every Marine I know is vocally against rape in action and word.

Personally, I think the author should focus his enthusiasm for military sexual assault policy on the equitable delivery of regulations and policies for Male Sexual Assault Response in every branch.
 
NavyBuyer said:
Perhaps, but if you make the force smaller and specialize in SOC exclusively, to include beach landings, that is the discriminating factor to keep it out.
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Who is going to pony up all the support? The Navy isn’t going to create combat logistics battalions for us. Neither will the Army...unless they own the Marine Corps. The Army is also not unfamiliar with amphibious assaults and is creating 6 “SOF lite” Brigades. That’s almost the size of the Marine Corps infantry.
 
Andoni said:
I believe it is irresponsible journalism to draw the false conclusion that the Marine Corps has more repeat sexual assaults then the other branches. It is widely known at DOD-SAPRO (DOD-Sexual Assault Prevention & Response Office) that the other branches are not reporting the actual number of sexual assaults.

If there are ten rapes in the Army and ten rapes in the Marines, just because the Army reports 0 rapes doesn't make the Marines super-rapey because they report 7 and step on it for 3.
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ABout 09 or so my shop came to know an USAF SARC/ SAPR whatever they're called. She'd go to weekly meeting/ briefings on Bagram about i and what she'd tell us was ridiculous. Rapes that were reported but covered up, consensual sex in some really strange places, the odd instance of consesual sex that was "rape" when caught, double standards for adultery charges, etc. She could not wait to end her "voluntold" tour and go back to her regular job. "It looks good on my OPR, but is a horrible job."

The culture of dealing with sex crimes in the military can run hot or cold based upon leadership. Everyone who is surprised, take a step forward.
 
AWP said:
The culture of dealing with sex crimes in the military can run hot or cold based upon leadership. Everyone who is surprised, take a step forward.
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This is totally accurate. What happens after a sexual assault is completely dictated by every eschelon of leadership in the servicemember's chain of command. It is career-ending any way you slice it.

I have a very subject-specific scope of experience related to the investigation and prosecution in all jurisdictions (civilian/military/installation) of military sexual trauma MST, but specifically sexual assault secondary to abduction and chain of command sexual assault of a subordinate Servicemembers, as well as Drug-Facilitated Sexual Assault.

I can't stomach the rest of the shit. I couldn't then. I ate the ridiculous cases for breakfast. I had no room for any person, in any circumstance that begins with, "I was fucking in a dumpster" I just can't. 🤣😂
 
Andoni said:
This is totally accurate. What happens after a sexual assault is completely dictated by every eschelon of leadership in the servicemember's chain of command.
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Reason 58 I did not reenlist, my "leadership" was an absolute joke. It was 1990, I came back to Okinawa from 2 weeks of leave back in the states and found that one of my best friends (female Marine) had been raped. She begged all of us (her guys friends) not to do anything (officially or unofficially) because she wanted to make the Corps a career and was terrified that it would not happen if she reported it.

I'd like to tell you that this story ends with a proper ending and "he got his". That would be a lie. We did nothing, nothing. The reasons at the time seemed valid, but it is something I regret to this day. If there is any upside, she did stay in the Corps and retired a few years ago as a Master Sgt.
 
Ooh-Rah said:
The reasons at the time seemed valid, but it is something I regret to this day. If there is any upside, she did stay in the Corps and retired a few years ago as a Master Sgt.
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Yeah. I appreciate and understand that regret about exercising self-control on someone who does not deserve it. Hopefully he lives his life looking over his shoulder, and if he doesn't he probably should. I mean, rapists often forget that nobody else ever forgets. That shit is dismantling to a team, morale and squad and platoon mission-readiness.

For what it's worth- that resolution for your Friend- staying in and retiring as a Master Sgt- that is the best, most outstanding outcome that exists. I never saw it occur and genuinely wished I had. It's good to hear that it did. The likelihood that she would have been able to continue her career AND have the assailant show up deceased with a broken beer bottle shoved up his ass is unlikely. It is great to hear she retired.
 
CDG said:
A rebuttal piece has been posted by Task and Purpose. I could not disagree more with the authors ridiculous assertions. He essentially tries to paint the entire USMC as sex offenders and out of control maniacs.

The Problem With ‘Let Marines Be Marines’
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Hate for the article and the author, not you Bro. The first comment beneath the article is spot on. I don't know Jared Keller's military experience, if any, but he sounds like a wanker.
 
You know who else has loads of training on stupid shit, online and otherwise?

Every fucking large corporation in America.

Grow up dudes, everyone hates that shit but the only place you can go and not have that is back in the block or starting your own business. You want to get out and make bank? Welcome to EO training, and inherent bias training, sexual harassment shit, and all the IT stuff.
 
TLDR20 said:
You know who else has loads of training on stupid shit, online and otherwise?

Every fucking large corporation in America.

Grow up dudes, everyone hates that shit but the only place you can go and not have that is back in the block or starting your own business. You want to get out and make bank? Welcome to EO training, and inherent bias training, sexual harassment shit, and all the IT stuff.
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True enough, but I don't know how your hospital does it, my hospital, we do it once a year. We don't have some sort of weird mandatory Safety Stand Down once a month for some of this bullshit training. But the military has become risk-averse over the past few years, and to leadership these things are as important if not more important than actual job skills training or being in the field.

Although the article is about retaining Marines, it's true for all the branches. Why do people leave? It's not all about the money, because if it was people would stay for all the bonuses. People are leaving, they can't backfill fast enough, they can't recruit fast enough. Why are they leaving? Because the military has turned into corporatetown USA.

It's not about being grown up, it's about addressing the issues with article, which is retention and why people leave. This is why people leave. But you're absolutely right it is no better and often worse in the corporate world.
 
When I left Merrill Lynch for Lockheed, we had the exact same CBTs minus a few words here and there. Same actors/ actresses, dialogue, etc. Just accept that CBT's and the like are your lot in life unless you have a job outside of corporate America.
 
TLDR20 said:
You know who else has loads of training on stupid shit, online and otherwise?

Every fucking large corporation in America.

Grow up dudes, everyone hates that shit but the only place you can go and not have that is back in the block or starting your own business. You want to get out and make bank? Welcome to EO training, and inherent bias training, sexual harassment shit, and all the IT stuff.
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Corporate America's job isn't to close with and destroy the nations enemies either. Every fucking large corporation in America has a fairly different charter than the USMC.
 
The job of my business has a specific purpose but I still run sexual harrassment training and the like.

It mitigates potential liability within the business, which may be a consideration for commands within the military as well. I could be wrong about that.
 
CDG said:
Corporate America's job isn't to close with and destroy the nations enemies either. Every fucking large corporation in America has a fairly different charter than the USMC.
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And they do that 24/7 365?

Gimme a fucking break bro. More Marines have jobs aligned with corporate life than they do with slitting Ahkbars throat.
 

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