National Protest and 'disband the cops' discussion (and now ICE)

[Jaknight]

Standby....

Kentucky AG will announce Breonna Taylor decision this afternoon — Daily Mail

 

[Florida173]

 

[ThunderHorse]

3 counts of Wanton Endangerment.

Detective indicted for wanton endangerment in Breonna Taylor’s death

Mayor of Louisville has also announced a curfew of 9PM to 630AM.

 

[Kaldak]

Class D felony. 1 to 5 years imprisonment if convicted.

Class D:
Class D felonies in Kentucky include possession of a firearm by a convicted felon, unauthorized use of a credit card involving a sum of money between $500 and $1,000, stalking in the first degree, possession of a controlled substance, and wanton endangerment in the first degree. Those with multiple offenses of “lesser” crimes might eventually face Class D felony charges, such as someone with four driving convictions for under the influence. People convicted of Class D felonies in Kentucky face 1 to 5 years’ imprisonment.

Kentucky Felony Charges Attorney | KY Criminal Defense Lawyer

 

[Jaknight]

So it wasn’t a no knock warrant after all

 

[Cookie_]

3 counts of Wanton Endangerment.

Detective indicted for wanton endangerment in Breonna Taylor’s death

Mayor of Louisville has also announced a curfew of 9PM to 630AM.

I didn't expect to see a homicide charge, and definently not endangerment.

I understand why they charged him with that though in regards to him firing shots into two other apartments.

It won't quell any outrage tonight though.

So it wasn’t a no knock warrant after all

Everything I've seen said it was; IIRC, the police report claimed they announced themselves first and knocked, but idk about that; Anyone remember for sure?

 

[SpitfireV]

So it wasn’t a no knock warrant after all

The links above say it was?

 

[Blizzard]

So it wasn’t a no knock warrant after all

Just because they knocked and announced, doesn't mean they were required to do so. Everything I've seen says it was a no-knock.

 

[Cookie_]

Just because they knocked and announced, doesn't mean they were required to do so. Everything I've seen says it was a no-knock.

To cross post a bit; just like people who don't believe Trump said something until there is video, a police report that say "we knocked and announced, but no body cams lolz" is gonna get some doubt from me.

 

[Archangel27]

@GOTWA, @Ooh-Rah; personally I really hate to see those kinds of situations. Ultimately, whether the facts support a conviction should be the ultimate deciding factor on both whether there should be charges filed, and if yes, what charges should be filed.

 

[Jaknight]

The links above say it was?

The AG said that the police knocked and announced their presence and it was corroborated by an independent witness

 

[Blizzard]

I didn't expect to see a homicide charge, and definently not endangerment.

I understand why they charged him with that though in regards to him firing shots into two other apartments.

I wasn't expecting a homicide or similar charge either. However, I thought they'd probably charge the officer for some sort of recklessness for the reason you mentioned. As a result, not surprised by the wanton endangerment. The charge seems to fit.

 

[Blizzard]

The AG said that the police knocked and announced their presence and it was corroborated by an independent witness

Agreed. To be clear though...just because they chose to do so, doesn't mean they were required to do so. The warrant didn't require them to knock.

 

[Blizzard]

To cross post a bit; just like people who don't believe Trump said something until there is video, a police report that say "we knocked and announced, but no body cams lolz" is gonna get some doubt from me.

All parties agreed they at least knocked. That was corroborated by everyone involved. The only question was did the police also announce themselves.

Police said they announced.

Shooter in the apartment with Talyor says he didn't hear announcement; could've been made just didn't hear it.

However, neighbor/witness supported police stating announcement also made.

Prosecutors determined witness was credible and knock/announce was done...even though not required to do so.

Shit. I feel like I just may've mansplained that. Sorry.

 

[ThunderHorse]

Just because they knocked and announced, doesn't mean they were required to do so. Everything I've seen says it was a no-knock.

Just to be clear on this one. The Judge signed off on a "No Knock Warrant". It was however executed as a "Knock and Announce" Warrant.

It seems we're all getting on the same page lol.

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Ron DeSantis and the State of Florida not playing no games with rioters.

 

[Ooh-Rah]

As I said, I don’t have a whole lot of interest in this case (Minneapolis is enough to deal with) but I did find it interesting how quickly the liberal media decided to put their spin on it.

I don’t think I’m going out on a limb referring to Esquire magazine as “liberal media”

 

[GOTWA]

Not being charged with what they wanted does not equal not being charged.

 

[Archangel27]

Not being charged with what they wanted does not equal not being charged.

As my civil procedure professor always said, "Justice is the outcome of a fair process." Running things through just because some loud people want it is mob rule.

 

[policemedic]

I have stayed out of this thread, and the Defund the Police thread, because participating in either one could become problematic.

However, I do feel it necessary to correct some misunderstandings vis a vis the Postal Police in order that everyone can sing from the same sheet of music.

First, while the Postal Police are a division of the Postal Inspection Service, Postal Police Officers are not Postal Inspectors. Inspectors are 1811 Criminal Investigators; Postal Police Officers are 0083 Police Officers. Inspectors are plainclothes investigators; postal cops are uniformed LEOs. In this way, they function much like Secret Service Special Agents and the USSS Uniformed Division. There are 1200 Postal inspectors; I'm unsure of the number of postal cops.

President Trump's Postmaster General, Louis Dejoy, removed all law enforcement authority from Postal Police Officers - the only ones who patrol off-site into dangerous areas after-hours to protect postal workers in cities like Chicago - last month on August 25th, 2020.

I would say he didn't remove anything from them. He simply clarified their authority under the Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act and brought their assignments back into alignment with the law.

USPIS has roughly 1200 officers. I don't know where you think they're "patrolling", because that isn't really their job, nor do they have real capacity to such a thing.

Correct. See above re: 1200 officers. Those 1200 Inspectors don't guard postal facilities; they do real police work.

Postal Police Officers, despite being vested with (limited) federal arrest authority, only complete an 8 week foundational training program. That is shorter than Army BCT. This falls well short of most proper police academies, and is only acceptable because they are not expected to do police work. They are expected to be guards with arrest authority.

As a former subcontractor for the USPS, 1997-2000, they did not patrol ANYWHERE. Those are postal inspectors who were classified as LEO's. Those are the guys and gals who investigate postal fraud. Their physical security was limited to the security of any postal facility.

As you say, BINGO. The only time I have seen a postal police officer off-site has been when they're getting coffee, or securing mail from a truck that was in an accident, blown up mailbox, etc.

...which I have shown is inaccurate and that they do have a 'real' capacity and authority to do it - or did.

The fact that some US Postal Police Officers were assigned to patrol--and I use that word very loosely--mail routes does not mean they had the authority to do it. In plain words, they do not, and never did. That much is clear from a full reading of the statute you correctly cited.

With all that said, I will now go back to lurking. I'm not going to engage on the main subject of the thread.

 

[Marauder06]

To cross post a bit; just like people who don't believe Trump said something until there is video, a police report that say "we knocked and announced, but no body cams lolz" is gonna get some doubt from me.

All things being equal, you don't think an official document signed by sworn peace officers is more meaningful than "anonymous sources?"