National Protest and 'disband the cops' discussion (and now ICE)

[Kaldak]

Before the "What's wrong with the Left" thread was merged into the "All Politics" thread, I posted about how academia was ideologically compromised. I even posted a gender and sexuality worksheet an elementary school 'teacher' was trying to push to his students.
http://www.transhealthsa.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/The-Gender-Unicorn.pdf

Reason the above is pertinent, is due to the way kids are socialized at school. If you ever wonder how you get people to deify criminals and champion socialist causes like defunding the police, this is it. If said 'educator' is comfortable sending that in an email, imagine what goes on behind school doors.

This is a fail. Major fail.

You mention right off the bat a thread that has been merged into another, but posted here instead. STOP.

 

[R.Caerbannog]

Try to keep this relevant protest and disband the cops. We don't want this going off the rails.

This is a fail. Major fail.

You mention right off the bat a thread that has been merged into another, but posted here instead. STOP.

Apologies, not trying to derail the thread. Reason I mention that earlier thread was due to the timeline I posted these observation. I made these observations months before the George Floyd incident and before this was a thread.

The common theme I was trying to illustrate is that the core message of these protests is that America is unfair, patently racist, and that the police serve as enforcers of this 'order'. These themes don't just show up out of nowhere, they're being pushed by people and many of these false premises were showing up in academia years before they became a national issue.

 

[RackMaster]

I cleaned up the mess but pay better attention to where you are posting.

 

[R.Caerbannog]

I cleaned up the mess but pay better attention to where you are posting.

Apologies brother. Thanks for catching that.

 

[Ooh-Rah]

I may have committed to stay neutral in the political thread, but I made no such claim for this thread.

I still stand on the platform that these two, by leaving their home and engaging the crowd, we’re looking for trouble and deserve whatever comes their way.

#GetOffMySide

Gun-waving St. Louis couple sues news photographer Bill Greenblatt

 

[Marauder06]

I may have committed to stay neutral in the political thread, but I made no such claim for this thread.

I still stand on the platform that these two, by leaving their home and engaging the crowd, we’re looking for trouble and deserve whatever comes their way.

#GetOffMySide

Gun-waving St. Louis couple sues news photographer Bill Greenblatt

I understand the sentiment, but the same (bolded) can be said for the crowd who broke into their community and made the couple feel threatened, especially given the widespread violence and crime that was taking place elsewhere, which is why I usually don't find it to be a compelling argument. Moreover, under the circumstances, I think the couple were totally justified to come out onto their own property with weapons in hand.

That said, pointing weapons at people is a crime. It's also stupid. The only time you should point a gun at someone is if you are going to shoot them, and the only reason to shoot them is if they are an immediate threat to life or property. That did not appear to be the case here.

I think the photography lawsuit is laughable and is likely to get tossed. As @AWP says, "play stupid games, win stupid prizes." I also think charging the couple, especially the woman, was the right thing to do. She was actively pointing a gun (which may or may not have been some kind of starter pistol??) at a huge crowd of people, in a situation that I do not believe called for lethal force. But I'm also thinking that there are some mitigating circumstances that might warrant a reduction (or even dropping) of charges, or some type of plea bargain with community service or something similar.

 

[R.Caerbannog]

The McCloseski's were literally defending their home and neighborhood. Would anyone trust a violent and arson prone mob, that's just torn down the fence gate, to not burn your house down and/or murder you and your loved ones?

Images: Gate house is at the bottom left of the street view shot.

 

[R.Caerbannog]

@Marauder06 Whoops looks like we posted at the same time. My bad dude.

 

[Marauder06]

@Marauder06 Whoops looks like we posted at the same time. My bad dude.

No issues, different people = different thoughts = different posts, even if they happen at the same time :)

 

[ThunderHorse]

I may have committed to stay neutral in the political thread, but I made no such claim for this thread.

I still stand on the platform that these two, by leaving their home and engaging the crowd, we’re looking for trouble and deserve whatever comes their way.

#GetOffMySide

Gun-waving St. Louis couple sues news photographer Bill Greenblatt

I'm not sure what their standing would be to sue the photographer unless he published the photo himself? Otherwise, since they were private citizens and not public figures, this whole event and subsequent publication of photos which only shows one side of the event definitely gives them standing to retrieve damages. However, that would be against whatever newspaper is publishing the photos and not the person taking the photos. I hope that makes sense.

My biggest beef with this whole thing, IFF we're going to charge this couple for felony brandishing under Missouri statutes, we're also going to need non-selective prosecution. (as stated in other posts Under Missouri Castle doctrine your entire property, including the lawn is considered a part of your castle, and under Missouri self-defense laws there is no duty to retreat) The original investigation into the incident had the McCloskeys as victims, which they remain victims in this. Their neighborhood was broken into and people were on their property. So the selective prosecution of the McCloskeys and zero prosecution of those who criminally trespassed and menaced doesn't jive for me. Again, they're just being made an example of and JUSTICE is not being served.

 

[SaintKP]

I may have committed to attempt to stay neutral in the political thread, I made no such claim for this thread.

I still stand on the platform that these two, by leaving their home and engaging this crowd, we’re looking for trouble and deserve whatever comes their way.

#GetOffMySide
Gun-waving St. Louis couple sues news photographer Bill Greenblatt

At first I thought they had no grounds to sue, until it said the photographer made profit from them using their likeness if that's the case they definitely have grounds.

 

[ThunderHorse]

So, crime is up in Minneapolis: New look at police stats shows the spread of violent crime across Minneapolis this summer

Police Officers are also leaving Minneapolis PD in droves, my assumption based on the following article is that Minneapolis PD no longer has the ability to cover it's patrol areas and this has forced the city council to respond by contracting services from the county agency (Hennepin County Sheriff's Department) and a a regional agency (Metro Transit PD). And honestly I'm not sure what kind of coverage Metro Transit will be able to provide since the agency has only 120 sworn personnel for a 7 county area. \

New look at police stats shows the spread of violent crime across Minneapolis this summer

You get what you vote for.

 

[Salamie3]

Not directly related to disbanding the police, but definitely thought it worth sharing.
In the past few months, after all these national incidents involving police have occurred, the Ramsay county Sheriff has started live streaming his shift. Ramsay county is located right next to Minneapolis, with its jurisdiction covering part of the city itself. He streams it live on both Facebook and YouTube under the channel name of "Live on Patrol." I've found it quite interesting to tune in to the stream every once in a while, and it provides some insight and transparency into the day-to-day of law enforcement. Definitely one of the positives to come from all of this, IMO.

 

[Blizzard]

Not directly related to disbanding the police, but definitely thought it worth sharing.
In the past few months, after all these national incidents involving police have occurred, the Ramsay county Sheriff has started live streaming his shift. Ramsay county is located right next to Minneapolis, with its jurisdiction covering part of the city itself. He streams it live on both Facebook and YouTube under the channel name of "Live on Patrol." I've found it quite interesting to tune in to the stream every once in a while, and it provides some insight and transparency into the day-to-day of law enforcement. Definitely one of the positives to come from all of this, IMO.

Point of clarification, while Ramsey County is indeed adjacent to Minneapolis, all of Minneapolis is in Hennepin County. There is no overlap of jurisdiction.

 

[Salamie3]

Point of clarification, while Ramsey County is indeed adjacent to Minneapolis, all of Minneapolis is in Hennepin County. There is no overlap of jurisdiction.

Thanks for the clarification. On some shifts he has patrolled through downtown Minneapolis, not sure how that works with jurisdiction.

 

[Blizzard]

Thanks for the clarification. On some shifts he has patrolled through downtown Minneapolis, not sure how that works with jurisdiction.

Are you sure he wasn't in downtown St. Paul? That's in Ramsey County.

 

[Salamie3]

Are you sure he wasn't in downtown St. Paul? That's in Ramsey County.

Just double-checked, they did patrol through what they referred to as downtown Minneapolis. Admittedly, I am not very familiar with the geography of the county lines in Minnesota.

Regardless, I think it's a very informative channel and worth checking out.

 

[Blizzard]

Just double-checked, they did patrol through what they referred to as downtown Minneapolis. Admittedly, I am not very familiar with the geography of the county lines in Minnesota.

Regardless, I think it's a very informative channel and worth checking out.

Yeah, Ramsey County would never regularly patrol anywhere in Minneapolis or Hennepin County. Possible they were doing some sort of one off/special agency assist but they don't patrol Mpls. But glad you found it informative. Link?

 

[Salamie3]

Yeah, Ramsey County would never regularly patrol anywhere in Minneapolis or Hennepin County. Possible they were doing some sort of one off agency assist but they don't patrol Mpls. But glad you found it informative. Link?

To the channel or a video or them patrolling in Minneapolis?

 

[Blizzard]

To the channel or a video or them patrolling in Minneapolis?

Either one...or both.