National Protest and 'disband the cops' discussion (and now ICE)

[ThunderHorse]

At work, watched this on news, my partner and I discussed.

Me: bad shoot.
Partner: why would kid answer door with gun, good shoot.
Me: proceeds to explain the previous conversation above.
Partner: fuck him, should have never answered with gun, he could have looked out peep hole.


Um, I love my partner, she's a friend but I think she's wrong.

So my original reply to this thread was the airman had every right to answer the door to put two holes in whoever was at the door. We will see more of this going forward and things will escalate as normies with firearms have greater fear for their lives.

Concrete wall, cop could have shifted left and ordered the kid out.
Starting to look like a bad shoot.
You partner own a firearm?

No, the idiot cop shouldn't have been there. Let's start there.

And no, I ain't no hero.

ETA: Also the Mil influencer subtweets on this subject, let me tell you, this "community" really loves jumping on if it bleeds it leads stuff. Just leave these situations be, don't feel the need to make a comment on this, especially without linking the context. Apparently if you are conservative you are a racist yadda yadda.

 

[Devildoc]

So my original reply to this thread was the airman had every right to answer the door to put two holes in whoever was at the door. We will see more of this going forward and things will escalate as normies with firearms have greater fear for their lives.

I would say that if the cops breached the apartment without warning, then yeah, I am shooting at what's coming through the door. But if it was a call-and-knock and the dude answered the door and saw the cop, then probably not. But the issue isn't that the guy had the gun at his side, the issue is that the cop lacked the critical thinking skills and training to allow this to go a hundred different ways that would not have unalived the poor guy.

Referring to what @Muppet and I were talking about, the general quality of the street cop today is much less than it was, and critical thinking and de-escalation are so rare as to be called a super power.

 

[ThunderHorse]

I would say that if the cops breached the apartment without warning, then yeah, I am shooting at what's coming through the door. But if it was a call-and-knock and the dude answered the door and saw the cop, then probably not. But the issue isn't that the guy had the gun at his side, the issue is that the cop lacked the critical thinking skills and training to allow this to go a hundred different ways that would not have unalived the poor guy.

Referring to what @Muppet and I were talking about, the general quality of the street cop today is much less than it was, and critical thinking and de-escalation are so rare as to be called a super power.

He killed a man, he goes to prison. That hopefully will be what happens.

 

[Blizzard]

Once he ascertained that there were uniformed cops at his door, he made a bad decision to answer the door with a gun in his hand.

He reportedly never knew the cops were at his door, thus the gun. He could not see the cop when he first checked the peephole; didn't see anyone there. Due to walls, couldn't hear what was being said. All he knew was there were a couple of increasingly aggressive knocks on the door and some muffled shouting at it.

I'm no pretending to know better than others, but, based on reports and the video I saw, I also don’t think it's a coincidence this was an Oskaloosa Deputy involved in another incident of poor decision making.

 

[BlackSmokeRisinG]

I came home the other day some tenager (hispanic kid, we're white) I've bever seen popped out of my house as I rounded the garage towards the door. No other cars in my driveway, middle of the day when kids are at school. My first thought is "WTF ARE YOU DOING IN MY HOUSE" and he's 5ft. away. I was ready to grab him up. Nothing in his hands, not looking sketchy, surprised, or in a hurry. My son pops out a few seconds later...

Came home for lunch, kid parked across the street where I wouldn't notice. No gun on me but was ready to pop him one. At that moment I had 0 clue he was my son's friend, never seen him in my life. All it took was a .3 second assessment to figure out my life and property is not in danger.

Not exactly the same situation as the cop, but firearms are not illegal and there was no sign of break in etc. I think i would have taken cover immediately rather than shoot. YMMV

 

[AWP]

Did the young man have a gun or did he have an acorn?

Okaloosa deputy

 

[AWP]

Despite my earlier snark, what are the odds the FBI looks into the Okaloosa Sheriff's Department? You have two high profile shooting cases, one of which resulted in a fatality. Of a Black man. A servicemember. In an election year?

And when the officer told him to step back, wasn't he complying? He never raised the weapon and the officer had partial cover.

The family's attorney?
US airman shot and killed by police in Florida

Mr Crump, a civil rights lawyer based in Florida, has worked on multiple high-profile cases of police-involved deaths of black Americans, including George Floyd, Ahmaud Arbery, Trayvon Martin, Tyre Nichols and Breonna Taylor.

It won't bring their son back, but that family's going to get an 8-figure direct deposit out of this.

 

[Gunz]

He reportedly never knew the cops were at his door, thus the gun. He could not see the cop when he first checked the peephole; didn't see anyone there. Due to walls, couldn't hear what was being said. All he knew was there were a couple of increasingly aggressive knocks on the door and some muffled shouting at it.

I'm no pretending to know better than others, but, based on reports and the video I saw, I also don’t think it's a coincidence this was an Oskaloosa Deputy involved in another incident of poor decision making.

Thanks for the correction.

 

[Blizzard]

Just a reminder, SrA Fortson was a member of the 4th SOS at Hurlburt Field and gunner on an AC-130J Ghostrider.

 

[Muppet]

Fucking tyrants

 

[DA SWO]

Fucking tyrants

No surprised, 1st thing a mediocre defense attorney would ask for is copies of the 9-1-1 calls.
Hard to believe how stupid some cops still are.

 

[ThunderHorse]

Fucking tyrants

Revoke POST certification indefinitely.

 

[AWP]

So they have several officers openly conspiring to falsely charge the man and let me guess? They kept their jobs?

(5 minutes on the internet later)

Yeah, cleared by IA of any wrongdoing and the IA captain later became the head of the CT State Police.

 

[DA SWO]

So they have several officers openly conspiring to falsely charge the man and let me guess? They kept their jobs?

(5 minutes on the internet later)

Yeah, cleared by IA of any wrongdoing and the IA captain later became the head of the CT State Police.

Defense attorneys will still use it to hit their credibility.
My boss thinks they probably got shoved into admin type jobs, but I think they suffered no adverse action.

 

[Muppet]

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[Muppet]

Typical fucking jersey gestapo.

 

[Box]

It's not just Jersey - these fucking lawyer types are everywhere - thinking they should get special treatment because they know their rights...

Don't want to answer my stupid question you irritating little citizen person - fine you're under arrest.
Stop resisting.
Why wont you answer my questions.
Stop resisting.
You know what you did lady - ADMIT IT
Stop resisting
You have the right to remain silent.
Stop resisting.
Are you going to answer me or not?
Stop resisting...

Perhaps that lady (I know I shouldn't assume gender, but, whatever) should have just done as she was told...
...WHEN SHE WAS TOLD
...how dare her not pay respect to a lawman
...how dare her not admit to her dirty law breaking ways
...how dare her not offer up an admission of the evil that she must have done to get pulled over
...dont start nuttin' lady, and there won't be nuttin'
Now here we are - society is 30,000 dollars in the hole and a shitty driver is back out on the streets unpunished and free to speed again
...or change lanes without signaling
...or failing to yield
...or turning right on red
...or whatever law breaking she did to get pulled over in the first place
...SKREEE
...SKREEE
...SKREEE
...SKREEE
...BACK THE BLUE MOTHER FUCKERS
BACK THE BLUE


Then again, lets assume for a minute that that all she did was commit a minor traffic infraction that could have been solved in less than 5 minutes with a "here's your ticket, drive safely and have a good evening"
...but nope
...that lady refused to respect a bully
...and bullies gravitate to places that allow them to bully.
...and what was that about standing up top a bully?

Pfft - that shit grandpa always told you about standing up to bullies is horse shit
...stand up to a bully with a shiny piece of tin on their shirt - and your ass is going to jail
...maybe you'll even get lucky and learn what it feel like to get tazed
...or pepper sprayed
...or fucking beat with a stick because you wouldn't "stop resisting"
...real bullies do not back down when you stand up to them
...real bullies double down when you stand up to them
...those folks you're grandpa was telling you about are nothing more than punks
...punks back down when you stand up to them - bullies put you in hand cuffs

At least that's what I've heard

 

[Muppet]

It's not just Jersey - these fucking lawyer types are everywhere - thinking they should get special treatment because they know their rights...

Don't want to answer my stupid question you irritating little citizen person - fine you're under arrest.
Stop resisting.
Why wont you answer my questions.
Stop resisting.
You know what you did lady - ADMIT IT
Stop resisting
You have the right to remain silent.
Stop resisting.
Are you going to answer me or not?
Stop resisting...

Perhaps that lady (I know I shouldn't assume gender, but, whatever) should have just done as she was told...
...WHEN SHE WAS TOLD
...how dare her not pay respect to a lawman
...how dare her not admit to her dirty law breaking ways
...how dare her not offer up an admission of the evil that she must have done to get pulled over
...dont start nuttin' lady, and there won't be nuttin'
Now here we are - society is 30,000 dollars in the hole and a shitty driver is back out on the streets unpunished and free to speed again
...or change lanes without signaling
...or failing to yield
...or turning right on red
...or whatever law breaking she did to get pulled over in the first place
...SKREEE
...SKREEE
...SKREEE
...SKREEE
...BACK THE BLUE MOTHER FUCKERS
BACK THE BLUE


Then again, lets assume for a minute that that all she did was commit a minor traffic infraction that could have been solved in less than 5 minutes with a "here's your ticket, drive safely and have a good evening"
...but nope
...that lady refused to respect a bully
...and bullies gravitate to places that allow them to bully.
...and what was that about standing up top a bully?

Pfft - that shit grandpa always told you about standing up to bullies is horse shit
...stand up to a bully with a shiny piece of tin on their shirt - and your ass is going to jail
...maybe you'll even get lucky and learn what it feel like to get tazed
...or pepper sprayed
...or fucking beat with a stick because you wouldn't "stop resisting"
...real bullies do not back down when you stand up to them
...real bullies double down when you stand up to them
...those folks you're grandpa was telling you about are nothing more than punks
...punks back down when you stand up to them - bullies put you in hand cuffs

At least that's what I've heard

This'll be a popular opinion that I happen to agree with. Shame that the good cops, at least 1 here we all know will suffer for the fucking tyrant trash on the streets.

 

[Muppet]

 

[Muppet]