National Protest and 'disband the cops' discussion (and now ICE)

[Kraut783]

So when can we get an EO labeling ANTIFA an ITO?

Screw that, just label them as an criminal organization and treat them as any other street gang.

 

[GOTWA]

Screw that, just label them as an criminal organization and treat them as any other street gang.

Don't think it goes far enough and you can use more resources to counter them.

 

[J.]

Can someone here defend this? This is disgusting.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bad_Cop_No_Donut/comments/gts8fh

 

[RackMaster]

Can someone here defend this? This is disgusting.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bad_Cop_No_Donut/comments/gts8fh

Needs more context. Not saying what they did was right and they were paint rounds. But frankly, how many times do you need to hear someone yelling to get inside, to get inside?

 

[J.]

Needs more context. Not saying what they did was right and they were paint rounds. But frankly, how many times do you need to hear someone yelling to get inside, to get inside?

On your own property, filming legally, not breaking the law. I don’t care if a cop says get inside, there is no cause for force. Paint rounds is irrelevant, still a probability of bodily harm.

I dont think all cops are bad, but how much further are we gonna go defending, defending, defending them until we admit they have a systemic issue. I’m not implying they are all bad, or corrupt. I do believe there is a training issue, I think there is a mentality issue, and when a cop on your street says “Light me’ up” at your home while on your front porch, it leads me to believe there’s an ego issue.

 

[Ooh-Rah]

Can someone here defend this? This is disgusting.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bad_Cop_No_Donut/comments/gts8fh

One of the factors that MPD was dealing with last night, was engaging the bad-guys and having them suddenly blend into the community by running into yards and sitting on porches/steps like they live there. (sound familiar?).

I'm not saying that was 100% the case here, but it was a big topic of conversation by the local media. Rioters were very organized, communicating and coordinating police location via Facebook.

 

[J.]

One of the factors that MPD was dealing with last night, was engaging the bad-guys and having them suddenly blend into the community by running into yards and sitting on porches/steps like they live there. (sound familiar?).

I'm not saying that was 100% the case here, but it was a big topic of conversation by the local media. Rioters were very organized, communicating and coordinating police location via Facebook.

Thanks for the context, sounds a lot like AFG. My issue is, police are not the military, and I am worried about the outcome of outfitting them like the military, giving them military style missions, but none of the training and mental conditioning. I think that will lead to even further issues.

I’m not going to pretend I know what the right answer is, but I don’t believe this is it. Their force shown here is only going to increase their opposition.

 

[Ooh-Rah]

police are not the military, and I am worried about the outcome of outfitting them like the military, giving them military style missions, but none of the training and mental conditioning.

I think that argument went out the window after 9/11. New York City set the new militarized police bar, and everyone else happily followed.

 

[J.]

I think that argument went out the window after 9/11. New York City set the new militarized police bar, and everyone else happily followed.

Same could be said for information collection...again, I don’t have an answer, but I can easily see this continuing to escalate. It’s a shit show every way around.

 

[ThunderHorse]

Can someone here defend this? This is disgusting.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bad_Cop_No_Donut/comments/gts8fh

Yes, I in fact do not find this disgusting. Minneapolis is now under a strict curfew because they've tried to burn the city down. The entire MN National Guard has been mobilized and will be on the streets for the foreseeable future it appears. These kids that were in the video, maybe I'm reading too much into this as riots inch closer and closer to where I live. (I live in Phoenix) But it's time to end this, and ending this will take real force.

In my AO, there was still a protest and riot in the government core, it was pretty peaceful early and was a mobile march but it again settled in front of PHXPD HQ. After about 11, these assholes started throwing shit...as if on cue. But it appears to have been a distraction as about 1030 basically a flashmob appeared in front of Fashion Square and breach several stores.

Looters swarm Scottsdale-area during Saturday night rioting

This was definitely coordinated to be done that way.


If people are trying to cast blame on Antifa, they're not the only ones out there. Dollars to donuts you've got New Black Panthers out there, the current communist undercurrent groups, sure there's some 3%er and Neo Nazi types out there too.

 

[GOTWA]

MN kind of lost all privileges. Get inside means get inside.

 

[J.]

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So it justifies using force against people not breaking the law on their own property? Where is the line, or are we going to keep moving it?

 

[Cookie_]

MN kind of lost all privileges. Get inside means get inside.

Rough take. Open question to all of you on the board.

How do you guys feel about gun rights?

Because if it's "all gun laws are infringing my rights" then the police attacking people on their private property unprompted then they are definitely violating their rights.

 

[J.]

Rough take. Open question to all of you on the board.

How do you guys feel about gun rights?

Because if it's "all gun laws are infringing my rights" then the police attacking people on their private property unprompted then they are definitely violating their rights.

Constitutionally you could make an argument to return with force.

Real life chiming in says you’ll die or have your entire life ruined.

I hate to break it to anyone who believes otherwise but it would take something akin to the Boston Massacre to actually unite an Armed Force of citizens. Anything less will result in what we are seeing now.

 

[Polar Bear]

So it justifies using force against people not breaking the law on their own property? Where is the line, or are we going to keep moving it?

So I watched it, they said go inside, end of story.

 

[J.]

So I watched it, they said go inside, end of story.

In my opinion, the police do not get to write my story when it come to my constitutionally protected freedoms. Riot or not, my property, unarmed, standing on my front porch, this is the wrong response.

 

[ThunderHorse]

So it justifies using force against people not breaking the law on their own property? Where is the line, or are we going to keep moving it?

It's pretty hard for me to word this without sounding like a dick since this is just words on a page. So bear with me.

Tuesday: Protests in Minneapolis.
Wednesday Thru Saturday: Riots. Buildings burning. Business owners who attempt to protect their businesses have been assaulted and battered.

People are being killed for defending their property in more than a few cities. So what are we to do now? Let it continue?

As far as all these bail funds? These judges better not be granting bail for a hot minute.

Thanks for the context, sounds a lot like AFG. My issue is, police are not the military, and I am worried about the outcome of outfitting them like the military, giving them military style missions, but none of the training and mental conditioning. I think that will lead to even further issues.

I’m not going to pretend I know what the right answer is, but I don’t believe this is it. Their force shown here is only going to increase their opposition.

IRT arming police officers with AR-15s and SWAT with armored vehicles, well, when the enemy is heavily armed and well resourced gangs that stuff is here to stay.

 

[GOTWA]

In my opinion, the police do not get to write my story when it come to my constitutionally protected freedoms. Riot or not, my property, unarmed, standing on my front porch, this is the wrong response.

Go express your concerns at the next protest, riot. That's what they're all about at this point, yes?

 

[Ooh-Rah]

In my opinion, the police do not get to write my story when it come to my constitutionally protected freedoms. Riot or not, my property, unarmed, standing on my front porch, this is the wrong response.

And 'sometimes' you have to read the room. If I lived in those neighborhoods I would 100% be sitting on my front porch, AR in reach.

But...I'd also be self aware enough to know that after the shit those cops and guard-members have taken the past 4 nights, if they said, "get the fuck in the house", I'm "getting the fuck in the house".

 

[J.]

It's pretty hard for me to word this without sounding like a dick since this is just words on a page. So bear with me.

Tuesday: Protests in Minneapolis.
Wednesday Thru Saturday: Riots. Buildings burning. Business owners who attempt to protect their businesses have been assaulted and battered.

People are being killed for defending their property in more than a few cities. So what are we to do now? Let it continue?

As far as all these bail funds? These judges better not be granting bail for a hot minute.

You don’t sound like a dick at all brother. Tensions are high, the violence and destruction has to stop. I want it to stop.

In this particular video, I just don’t see how this helps that goal. I think it’s creating more disdain towards LEO and I personally can’t convince myself to see it justifiably. That’s just my take, I wouldn’t say it here on SS if I wasn’t interested in seeing the other side.