National Protest and 'disband the cops' discussion (and now ICE)

Kraut783 said:
Every community is different, there isn't any magic flow chart. You can work for years and finally get a great relationship with the community, then one thing can ruin it...and you have to define what a community is.....many different factions make up a community...it's hard to make everyone happy.

There is no "magic bullet" so to speak....

It doesn't help when social media and the media itself get people into a frenzy....
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2 decades down the shitter here in Cincinnati. Mayor even said it today. CPD, did a 180 Since 2001, other PD‘s come here to learn from CPD. It is not going to be pretty if it spills over the river to northern Kentucky. Covington is a powder keg just waiting for someone with a match.
 
Ooh-Rah said:
That is why I took that photo, when I got up close enough I could see that they had magazines with them, but not one soldier had a magazine in the well.
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And for good reason. Not enough training and the stakes are high.
 
Salt USMC said:
Wrong questions to be asking. A better question would be “What can departments do better to serve the community and prevent these occurrences in the future?”
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Let me put it this way. How many racist douchebags or murderous cunts have you met in the military? They exist, they are usually found out eventually and dealt with. Sometimes it's to late and they commit a crime. Police forces are no different. Add in shitty budgets with little to no training. They also have an uphill PR battle, while the media is chucking shit at them, add in those calling for the outright elimination of law enforcement completely. All of this leads to a pretty shitty recruiting pool.
You know what needs to be done first? Same thing that needs to be done for law enforcement in Canada. Properly fund them.
 
RackMaster said:
Let me put it this way. How many racist douchebags or murderous cunts have you met in the military? They exist, they are usually found out eventually and dealt with. Sometimes it's to late and they commit a crime. Police forces are no different. Add in shitty budgets with little to no training. They also have an uphill PR battle, while the media is chucking shit at them, add in those calling for the outright elimination of law enforcement completely. All of this leads to a pretty shitty recruiting pool.
You know what needs to be done first? Same thing that needs to be done for law enforcement in Canada. Properly fund them.
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I think an education requirement can go a long way. A two year degree at minimum. If you come in at 21, you don't have a whole lot of life experience so you need something to take its place.

Yes, we expect kids as young as 17 to join and train for war and they don't have ANY experience. But they're also not left alone or in pairs walking the beet to get their community policing on. You not only need to be a practitioner of the law, but a representative for the district you represent.
 
GOTWA said:
I think an education requirement can go a long way. A two year degree at minimum. If you come in at 21, you don't have a whole lot of life experience so you need something to take its place.

Yes, we expect kids as young as 17 to join and train for war and they don't have ANY experience. But they're also not left alone or in pairs walking the beet to get their community policing on. You not only need to be a practitioner of the law, but a representative for the district you represent.
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Exactly. The basics in Canada are just high school diploma but the job's are so competitive that you probably won't be looked at without at least a 2 year college diploma in Police Foundations or Law and Security.
 
It seemed wrong to live just 15 minutes from the 3rd Precinct and not drive down that way and see for myself what was happening.

A few observations to share:

(Pics linked below)

Not one officer to be found anywhere in the Minneapolis area. I assuming this is by design, their presence would only act as a catalyst to those looking for a reason to cause trouble.

As I drove thru Uptown I was amazed at how all of the building along Hennepin had been boarded up. Many had messages painted on them, one in particular struck me: “We live upstairs, please don’t burn!”

People were pulling over on the side of the bridge to take photos of the aftermath below - again, no cops to stop them.

I parked my car in the lot of the looted out Target. Everything was accessible As you can imagine, traffic was quite contested in the area - again, no cops to direct traffic so there were volunteers in yellow vests who took it up themselves to keep the traffic moving.

National Guard troops were out in force, their mission? Well from what I could see it was to take as many pictures as they could with the people around them. It was very cool to see the masses walk up and ask, “may we take our picture with you?”

I stopped and listened to a speaker at 1 of 2 different rallies I saw happening. He spoke of peaceful protest and not letting themselves get mixed in with those looking to loot or burn. He spoke of the National Guard and how he did not want to hear about anyone harassing them. " These men and women", he said, "are volunteers from our communities to protect and serve. They are here to protect us. They are the ones who come to our aid after a flood or terrible disaster, if you have a problem with the National Guard, I don’t want to know you. He then led them in a chant of “Thank you, guard!”

There were table after tabled filled with cold bottled water and snack-bars. (no charge). There was a dude driving around with 2 other’s in the back of a small pick up truck, they were tossing cold bottled water to whomever needed or asked for it.

The burned out buildings were not restricted, not guarded. I watched people walk thru the burned out Arby’s - It was….it was frustrating to see ‘tourists’ walking thru the now destroyed 3rd Precinct building.

The atmosphere was one of reverence. People walked and talked, they took pictures, they hugged, they listened, but nobody was loud. It was as if no one wanted to call attention to themselves. Instead, they just wanted to be part of the moment.

There was no ‘legit’ media to be found either. The speakers talked of how they had sent press releases and Facebook/Twitter invites - no one showed up to cover the ‘good’ that was happening today….I’m guessing they’ll be out in force tonight.

Pics from Today
 
My family and I are Hispanics and proud to be but the burning of the American Flag and looting of small businesses and Neighborhoods across the U.S needs to stop. Being close to Ft Bragg watching looters on social media burning downtown businesses in Fayetteville and other areas surrounding it keeps us speechless. My hometown in the Southern tip of Texas not far from the Mexican border isn’t partaking in rioting and the above actions seen across the U.S. Instead, they are celebrating their children and grandchildren graduate schools, welcoming a new chapter in life one built for the American dream. African Americans aren’t the only ones who have seen adversity in their lives, the people that I know have as well but we fight on and define moments of chaos by pushing forward.
 
Senior police (Chief included) are walking the crowds and doing interviews with the "internet media". The response and appreciation I am seeing from the crowd is shockingly surprising. Sad that the MSM is nowhere to be found....at least in the peaceful areas.
 

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