National Protest and 'disband the cops' discussion (and now ICE)

[ThunderHorse]

Oh Mayor Jenny...sucks to suck, you played a stupid game with your support of CHAZ instead of LEADING, and now they're outside your freaking house! Cut the nonsense and lead!

Protesters march to Seattle Mayor Durkan's house as 'CHOP' scene continues

ETA: Provo, random "protester" attack on an SUV. I will SAY AGAIN. Protests are over, what's left is just criminal elements that masquerade as protesters and our Law Enforcement are risk averse, under siege, and without political support.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1278001441248907264

 

[ThunderHorse]

How is a wealthy person an enabler? Just because you have money doesn't make you a jack ass.

He may be writing this poorly, but much earlier in the Floyd you had some blue check former NBA player cheering on the burning of buildings in Minneapolis and looting in LA. But then they started to come into his gated subdivision and he was like NO, STAY OUT, WE CARE ABOUT OUR COMMUNITY.

And I just posted in the Floyd thread, many of these Mayors and Governors have been enablers. And now the "protests" are coming directly to their doorstep.

 

[BloodStripe]

He may be writing this poorly, but much earlier in the Floyd you had some blue check former NBA player cheering on the burning of buildings in Minneapolis and looting in LA. But then they started to come into his gated subdivision and he was like NO, STAY OUT, WE CARE ABOUT OUR COMMUNITY.

And I just posted in the Floyd thread, many of these Mayors and Governors have been enablers. And now the "protests" are coming directly to their doorstep.

So because one wealthy person does that means that all wealthy do? Under that same argument I could say that all poor people are lazy or any other generalized statement. It's ridiculous.

 

[DA SWO]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1277430912653950976

Meanwhile, in Detroit

All powerful when you think the cops can't respond, then start screaming like a 3 year old.

 

[R.Caerbannog]

How is a wealthy person an enabler? Just because you have money doesn't make you a jack ass.

Having resources doesn't make you a jackass, but supporting and funding the degenerates behind Antifa and BLM is. These useful idiots empower the criminal classes, while leaving the rest of us trapped with a bunch of lawless animals. Cause guess who is pushing the 'diversity' and 'equity' line? It ain't your blue collar workers or small business owners, they got bills to pay.

So yeah... I hope the wealthy idiots who supported this BS get eaten by their own.

 

[ThunderHorse]

So because one wealthy person does that means that all wealthy do? Under that same argument I could say that all poor people are lazy or any other generalized statement. It's ridiculous.

Excepting that it hasn't been "one" it's been A LOT. The White Liberal isn't really down for the cause. The rich white liberal will write their check to a cause that will make them feel good. But they're just as racist as the wackos in the South that they make fun of.

This couple? I don't necessarily agree with @R.Caerbannog on the McCloskeys being enablers. They've shown through their work that they've fought against Police Brutality. What they don't believe in, clearly, is their rights being trampled and are willing to exercise their second amendment rights to defend them. But the Liberal Media tries to paint them as bad actors.

Guess what that means, the walls will only be built thicker and higher by the rich folk.

 

[BloodStripe]

Excepting that it hasn't been "one" it's been A LOT. The White Liberal isn't really down for the cause. The rich white liberal will write their check to a cause that will make them feel good. But they're just as racist as the wackos in the South that they make fun of.

That's an awful lot of generalization. Of course the wealthy donate more money than the poor. Some of it is to make them feel good, some is for tax purposes, and some is because they generally believe in whatever it is they are supporting. The real BLM movement is not rioting. Yes there are blacks, whites, and any other race claiming they support BLM while really just using it as a front to be lawless shit heads, but not every wealthy white person fits the mold you describe.

Having resources doesn't make you a jackass, but supporting and funding the degenerates behind Antifa and BLM is. These useful idiots empower the criminal classes, while leaving the rest of us trapped with a bunch of lawless animals. Cause guess who is pushing the 'diversity' and 'equity' line? It ain't your blue collar workers or small business owners, they got bills to pay.

So yeah... I hope the wealthy idiots who supported this BS get eaten by their own.

This isnt what you originally said. And I stand behind what I said above about the BLM movement. Dont contort Antifa and BLM together.

 

[R.Caerbannog]

That's an awful lot of generalization. Of course the wealthy donate more money than the poor. Some of it is to make them feel good, some is for tax purposes, and some is because they generally believe in whatever it is they are supporting. The real BLM movement is not rioting. Yes there are blacks, whites, and any other race claiming they support BLM while really just using it as a front to be lawless shit heads, but not every wealthy white person fits the mold you describe.

This isnt what you originally said. And I stand behind what I said above about the BLM movement. Dont contort Antifa and BLM together.

To reiterate, the people pushing the false premise of 'equity', 'equality', and 'diversity', are those insulated from the damage they shove onto the rest of us and our neighborhoods. Rest of the country is too busy working to partake in a false fantasy.

Considering their previous political donations and activism, before the link was memory holed, I'm enjoying the irony of the situation.

Spoiler

Antifa, BLM, etc... I dunno man, a Marxist by any other name is still a Marxist.

 

[BloodStripe]

What is marxist about BLM?

 

[R.Caerbannog]

What is marxist about BLM?

It's founders and the game they're playing with the black community. It's basically a shell game for fomenting Marxist dissent under the guise of addressing racial inequality. They are no friends to our Republic.

 

[Florida173]

What is marxist about BLM?

I feel like I'm having flashbacks from the george floyd thread.

Outside of one of the co-founders actually saying it. One could argue that she's just a rando that doesn't lead it.. sure.. but what do the socialists say about it? Well from five years ago at least, it's definitely evolved since then.

The BLM movement opens a new powerful chapter. The previous radical black freedom movement always had powerful anti-capitalist, socialist, and internationalist currents. Today black and Latino youth are increasingly open to the ideas of socialism and Marxism. Let’s engage this movement with confidence, armed with our ideas and the lessons of history. The struggle of the multiracial working class for socialist change is the beginning of overcoming racial division. Overthrowing capitalism cannot end all aspects of racism overnight, but it can do away with the exploitation that lays the basis for class society’s divide-and-rule approach. There is no other road. Black liberation can only be won through the socialist transformation of society.

Black Lives Matter and Marxism

 

[Florida173]

Here's Mark Levin giving some commentary on it

 

[ThunderHorse]

What is marxist about BLM?

One of the founders stated that she was a "Trained Marxist". Several of us have posted links and videos about this.

 

[BloodStripe]

Again, get past those who are claiming to be BLM and aren't.

There is a higher percentage of blacks having force used agaisnt them than whites. Data doesn't say why, but the numbers say that on average blacks have are 25% more likely than whites to have force used agaisnt them.

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[Florida173]

Again, get past those who are claiming to be BLM and aren't.

There is a higher percentage of blacks having force used agaisnt them than whites. Data doesn't say why, but the numbers say that on average blacks have are 25% more likely than whites to have force used agaisnt them.

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Did you just rebuttal the marxist comment with the use of police force?

We can get into the socioeconomic reasons for the suggested 50% more likely to experience some form of force in interactions with police. But I gravitate towards this part of the abstract on what actually matters.

On the most extreme use of force –officer-involved shootings – we find no racial differences in either the raw data or when contextual factors are taken into account. We argue that the patterns in the data are consistent with a model in which police officers are utility maximizers, a fraction of which have a preference for discrimination, who incur relatively high expected costs of officer-involved shootings.

An Empirical Analysis of Racial Differences in Police Use of Force

 

[BloodStripe]

Did you just rebuttal the marxist comment with the use of police force?

We can get into the socioeconomic reasons for the suggested 50% more likely to experience some form of force in interactions with police. But I gravitate towards this part of the abstract on what actually matters.


An Empirical Analysis of Racial Differences in Police Use of Force

I'm saying that BLM itself is not maxist. We can agree to disagree on that.

Use of force is not defined by police as just shooting. Go deeper than that. That screenshot above is from that article.

 

[ThunderHorse]

I'm saying that BLM itself is not maxist. We can agree to disagree on that.

Use of force is not defined by police as just shooting. Go deeper than that. That screenshot above is from that article.

But it's not White Cops using force. White-male law enforcement officers are the least likely to use force. Minority law enforcement are more likely to use force. So therefore, how is that tied to racism?

However, back to the point of my post. The McCloskeys are Democrats, they have fought for Social Justice. And the LIBERAL MEDIA is painting them as racists and aggressors. When they are in fact people that are wholly in the right to defend their property.

 

[Florida173]

I'm saying that BLM itself is not maxist. We can agree to disagree on that.

Use of force is not defined by police as just shooting. Go deeper than that. That screenshot above is from that article.

I don't know what your attachment is because it doesn't work. I provided proof of why BLM is a Marxist movement. If you can't provide anything on why it's not and circle back to "but police brutality," i don't know what to tell you. I even quoted that it's not 25% but 50% and suggested it's socioeconomic. Gave a link to my source, Harvard. You haven't yet articulated an argument against.

 

[Cookie_]

I think @BloodStripe is thinking about this in the same way I am:

BLM is both a Group(which is Marxist in origin) and a larger movement/ideal at this point.

Not everyone involved in the BLM protests/movement is a Marxist, but it's probably a safe bet to say most all Marxists are involved in BLM.

 

[Florida173]

BLM is both a Group(which is Marxist in origin) and a larger movement/ideal at this point.

Not everyone involved in the BLM protests/movement is a Marxist, but it's probably a safe bet to say most all Marxists are involved in BLM.

I don't think it's safe to say that in any way. There is a ton of inner fighting among the far left. Once the Marxists win, they will eat everyone that doesn't believe what they believe. Go through some of the articles from the socialist site that I posted. You will see a lot of support from socialist movements. Just look at the bus drivers that refused to support law enforcement in moving arrested rioters.

At some point I think I can look at all the people that are supporting something, and say these people that are so far against my ideology that maybe if they are supporting this, than I should question my support. You think I believe black lives matter, sure, but not enough for me to wash their feet and kiss their boots. It's complete fascism