National Protest and 'disband the cops' discussion (and now ICE)

[Locksteady]

It's pretty simple, the rioters in Portland have been the aggressors. The footage is out there. The narrative that the left wing media that is pushing that they're peaceful is completely untrue. If you want to know what's going on, you need to follow Andy Ngo, he's sharing stuff in real time. Every day the fences are repaired around the court house. The officers don't sally forth from the court house unless the barriers are yanked down, which of course happens every night.

Their intent is clear, they want Federal Law Enforcement to mow them down, although under direct threat, the task force has not once employed lethal force.

If you don't care, then cool.

So you're saying don't have anything to support your 'wall of vets' into 'wall of bomb throwers' claim from your first post?

Got it.

 

[Kraut783]

The anarchist moths are drawn to the flame of the US Courthouse/property where they can get into confrontations with DHS LEO's. Anyone who goes there to demonstrate are there for a confrontation, not to peacefully protest.

 

[Locksteady]

Are you purposely trying to piss folks off?

How, for challenging him to support his wildly hyperbolic and wholly unsupported claim with the kind of factual basis and linked evidence that the moderators only months before requested for everyone to provide whenever they made bold assertions?

 

[racing_kitty]

How, for challenging him to support his wildly hyperbolic and wholly unsupported claim with the kind of factual basis and linked evidence that the moderators only months before requested for everyone to provide whenever they made bold assertions?

Providing you with the name of someone who posts real time updates on Twitter (garbage pit that it is) is hardly hyperbolic.

 

[Locksteady]

Providing you with the name of someone who posts real time updates on Twitter (garbage pit that it is) is hardly hyperbolic.

That isn't at all the claim that is being addressed.

 

[Florida173]

Consequences that do not justify a lack of nuance in interpreting the results and certainly did not merit responding with the degree of disproportionality exhibited by the recklessly full-forced multiple swings of the baton-wielding officer - and doubly so when in possession of far more effective non-lethal substances like the pepper spray that was finally used.

They, too, reap their own consequences in the court of public opinion.

Do you see some kindred spirit with this guy or something, or see him as some champion of the righteous? He's partaking in an event that escalated to a riot and expecting to have a thought provoking conversation with guys in riot gear. The guy is wrong on every level.

 

[Ooh-Rah]

@Locksteady -

It seems like you are catching some flack and by the tone of some of these responses, maybe pushing some buttons?
Go forth and prosper, but understand who your audience is too.

That's all....for now.

 

[Locksteady]

Do you see some kindred spirit with this guy or something, or see him as some champion of the righteous? He's partaking in an event that escalated to a riot and expecting to have a thought provoking conversation with guys in riot gear. The guy is wrong on every level.

My views on him or what he did in that context wouldn't change the fact of the abject disproportionality of their response.

 

[Locksteady]

@Locksteady -

It seems like you are catching some flack and by the tone of some of these responses, maybe pushing some buttons?
Go forth and prosper, but understand who your audience is too.

That's all....for now.

Heard loud and clear. Stepping away for now.

 

[medicchick]

Standing peacefully in front of federal officers with your hands down in a public space and speaking to them does not merit the disproportionately 'stupid prize' of being swung at full force repeatedly with a baton.

Refusing to leave, being dumb enough to think that on night 5x of riots you can talk to those that deal with this shit night after night, not going through proper channels to talk with those who CAN/are authorized to have a discussion with the public... he's looking for a photo op and got more. Time and place, time and place.

Night after night I deal with this shit at work. The peaceful protestors leave when it starts getting dark, they want nothing to do with this shit and have even tried to help the local businesses clean up.

 

[Ooh-Rah]

Heard loud and clear. Stepping away for now.

If he is going to chill for a minute, let's everyone else please do the same so he does not feel the need to defend himself.

 

[medicchick]

If he is going to chill for a minute, let's everyone else please do the same so he does not feel the need to defend himself.

Sorry I was in the process of typing on my phone, saw this after I posted.

 

[AWP]

Not to dogpile, but to reiterate an earlier point. If y'all are going to broad, potentially incendiary comments, new information, now topics or thread drift...please cite your sources or expect to be checked by other members and/ or the staff. Give us a link, a Twitter post..something.

Y'all are doing a lot better and I thank you for that.

 

[R.Caerbannog]

Lol, according to Nadler the Antifa protests are a, "myth that's being spread only in Washington DC".

https://twitter.com/x/status/1287538621445296128

 

[Cookie_]

The driver didn't say he was shot at, the cops say the driver shot first, you can hear the shots in the video prior to the car speeding away, at which point you can hear the third party shooting at it.

Where the hell did y'all get the idea Foster shot at this dude five times and missed?

Right now everything looks like the driver sped into a crowd of people, got spooked, and shot the first dude he saw with a gun.

What we know so far about the investigation into the deadly shooting at an Austin protest

 

[BlackSmokeRisinG]

^^Just saw that on Fox, everyone can see so much damn footage on TV or YouTube it's pointless to try to speak otherwise... unless you're deflecting because you want mayhem to continue.

Wait until a LEO or FLEO gets killed with a brick or burned or something. You'll see the same clowns on TV blaming Trump for trying to restore order...

 

[Blizzard]

Right now everything looks like the driver sped into a crowd of people, got spooked, and shot the first dude he saw with a gun.

What we know so far about the investigation into the deadly shooting at an Austin protest

Similar to your observation, where the hell are people getting the idea he sped into a crowd? I don't know what people consider "speeding into a crowd" but there is absolutely no video evidence I've seen to support that narrative even a little bit.

The driver was mostly stopped then slowly attempted to make a right hand turn (possibly honked at people, unknown if that was his horn but assuming it probably was) before again yielding.

Always two versions of a story. Truth is usually somewhere in the middle.

 

[DA SWO]

The driver didn't say he was shot at, the cops say the driver shot first, you can hear the shots in the video prior to the car speeding away, at which point you can hear the third party shooting at it.

Where the hell did y'all get the idea Foster shot at this dude five times and missed?

Right now everything looks like the driver sped into a crowd of people, got spooked, and shot the first dude he saw with a gun.

What we know so far about the investigation into the deadly shooting at an Austin protest

Angry white guy with an AK approaches a car and may or may not have pointed the AK at the car. Magazine was in the weapon ( which may be illegal in TX). How many drivers have been shot/ shot at?
Do you wait for him to shoot? or defend yourself by shooting first?
Blocking traffic isn't necessarily legal.

 

[Devildoc]

I know the cops brought the two guys from the car in, interviewed them, and let them go (keeping the car and gun for evidence. Not for nothing, the driver and occupant apparently had a permit for concealed carry (facts not germane to the case, I know, still interesting trivia). If they were in the car and a guy with an AK pointed said AK at them, they had reasonable cause.

As for the whole vet thing at the riot, my momma always said "you are judged by the company you keep." Whether or not he had the right to be there, by being there he showed a remarkable lack of SA. He can plead "din do nuffin" to the judge and justice will prevail.

 

[Cookie_]

Similar to your observation, where the hell are people getting the idea he sped into a crowd? I don't know what people consider "speeding into a crowd" but there is absolutely no video evidence I've seen to support that narrative even a little bit.

The driver was mostly stopped then slowly attempted to make a right hand turn (possibly honked at people, unknown if that was his horn but assuming it probably was) before again yielding.

Always two versions of a story. Truth is usually somewhere in the middle.

Check the video in the link I shared; there's the footage of a car that turns straight into the crowd while blaring on its horn. My understanding is that was the car involved in the incident.

I could be completely wrong and that isn't the vehicle in question, but I haven't seen anything to the contrary.

Angry white guy with an AK approaches a car and may or may not have pointed the AK at the car. Magazine was in the weapon ( which may be illegal in TX). How many drivers have been shot/ shot at?
Do you wait for him to shoot? or defend yourself by shooting first?
Blocking traffic isn't necessarily legal.

I'm not trying to imply that the driver was in the wrong, but this situation doesn't seem as clear cut as some posts on this board try to make it seem. Foster didn't have to actually fire his weapon to be a legitimate threat, and we have no need to push that narrative here if the facts (as they stand now) don't support that.

Foster still violated one of the most inportant rules of having a firearm; don't point it at someone unless you intend to pull the trigger.

The driver understood that rule and acted appropriately.