National Protest and 'disband the cops' discussion (and now ICE)

[ThunderHorse]

Since someone wanted to be pedantic about Floyd serving his prison sentence in a jail, I did look it up. And TDCJ does operate several Jails.

A state jail facility is run by, or under contract to, the Texas Dept of Criminal Justice (TDCJ). A state jail facility is really not a jail. It is actually a minimum security prison facility, although it is not officially called that. There is no one in a state jail facility who is awaiting trial, like in a county jail. Everyone in TDCJ custody is convicted, and serving a sentence.

What is the difference between state jail and county jail in Texas? - Texas Jail Project.

Jail in Texas is for non-violent offenses. Floyd had several violent offenses on his rapsheet. He most certainly went to prison for those.

In Arizona, for example, the Department of Corrections only has prisons.

 

[AWP]

At the end of the day, we vicitmize or demonize the criminal according to our bias while giving everyone, especially the media, a pass for conviction or exoneration without a trial.

 

[ThunderHorse]

SPD Chief Best has resigned. Sorry, on mobile and for some reason it doesn't want to paste the link.

ETA: Seattle Police Chief Carmen Best retiring following department cuts, protests

 

[R.Caerbannog]

Don't watch cable, but this gal has some salient points.

 

[Locksteady]

Your post illustrates that the point is lost on some people. Partly false sounds a lot different than mostly true, which is what it should read. A dangerous druggie that was killed after freaking out on police while high as hell.

The fact is that there is little room to left to decry the fact that it is partly false, and what seems clear is you are more interested in making sure things sound the way you want to hear them rather than accepting a reasonable description that doesn't fit the particular painting of the events that you have already committed to seeing.

 

[Locksteady]

Jail in Texas is for non-violent offenses. Floyd had several violent offenses on his rapsheet. He most certainly went to prison for those.

I wholeheartedly welcome you to reveal to us all these violent offenses Floyd committed prior to the 2007 aggravated robbery charge that landed him in prison.

 

[Rabid Badger]

I wholeheartedly welcome you to reveal to us all these violent offenses Floyd committed prior to the 2007 aggravated robbery charge that landed him in prison.

1998 10 months in prison / jail armed robbery = FELONY = Pretty sure Armed Robbery under "Threat of DEATH IF YOU DON'T GIVE ME YOUR SHIT" equals violent offense? No?

 

[Locksteady]

1998 10 months in prison / jail armed robbery = FELONY = Pretty sure Armed Robbery under "Threat of DEATH IF YOU DON'T GIVE ME YOUR SHIT" equals violent offense? No?

1. @ThunderHorse is attempting to prove Floyd went to prison by claiming his previous crimes met Texas' apparently violence threshold for prison time.
2. A link supporting the claim that his crime was or should be treated as a prison-level offense by Texan authorities would probably nullify the need for you to draw attention to your supposition by screaming it in all caps.
3. Your disagreement would be better directed towards Texan authorities if it turns out he was jailed for something you feel met their threshold for prison incarceration.

 

[AWP]

Annnnd, I'm going to take this opportunity to encourage everyone to take a deep breath or two before we go sailing off a cliff.

 

[BlackSmokeRisinG]

I wholeheartedly welcome you to reveal to us all these violent offenses Floyd committed prior to the 2007 aggravated robbery charge that landed him in prison.

It's all in post #1,639. The last column in the chart has abbreviation for the crime with an (F) or (M) underneath for felony or misdemeanor. One is theft from person, and a few possession with intent to distribute. Felonies so prison, not necessarily violent though I have a hard time thinking felony theft from person is "non-violent".

My point is that the differentiation between prison or jail is a moot point, just like questioning if the women he robbed was pregnant or not. If she said she was, well she probably was. Arguing against that without evidence to the contrary is an attempt at obfuscation.

 

[Locksteady]

I wholeheartedly welcome you to reveal to us all these violent offenses Floyd committed prior to the 2007 aggravated robbery charge that landed him in prison.
It's all in post #1,639.

Felonies so prison, not necessarily violent though I have a hard time thinking felony theft from person is "non-violent".

In short, the post you cited listed no other violent offenses, you contradicted your own initial claim by pointing out that all that was listed were felonies that aren't necessarily violent, and then expected your own inference to pass for the evidence you failed to show.

And this is before even recognizing that this point is only important for those attempting to work backwards to conclude that Floyd was imprisoned instead of jailed due to passing the violent status threshold for crimes in Texas.

My point is that the differentiation between prison or jail is a moot point, just like questioning if the women he robbed was pregnant or not. If she said she was, well she probably was. Arguing against that without evidence to the contrary is an attempt at obfuscation.

As I've mentioned before, the case people want to make about Floyd's character can easily be accomplished without adding false and maligning features to a situation that already incriminates his reputation by itself. The extent to which one considers the material claims in the meme to 'matter' doesn't change the level of falseness in the claims, and it is disingenuous to ignore the power of false details in presenting a far different perception of events - particularly when that specific portrait is what some seem committed to maintaining in this discussion.

 

[ThunderHorse]

In short, the post you cited listed no other violent offenses, you contradicted your own initial claim by pointing out that all that was listed were felonies that aren't necessarily violent, and then expected your own inference to pass for the evidence you failed to show.

And this is before even recognizing that this point is only important for those attempting to work backwards to conclude that Floyd was imprisoned instead of jailed due to passing the violent status threshold for crimes in Texas.As I've mentioned before, the case people want to make about Floyd's character can easily be accomplished without adding false and maligning features to a situation that already incriminates his reputation by itself. The extent to which one considers the material claims in the meme to 'matter' doesn't change the level of falseness in the claims, and it is disingenuous to ignore the power of false details in presenting a far different perception of events - particularly when that specific portrait is what some seem committed to maintaining in this discussion.

General question, what state do you currently reside in? As I've already mentioned, the naming of the facilities is pretty irrelevent. TCDJ facilities are permanent detention facilities (Post Sentencing) and not temporary detention facilities (Pre-Sentencing).

If I know what State you're currently in I can illustrate the system for you. But your pedantry is getting very weird. Floyd had a violent criminal past as much as he had a petty criminal past.

 

[AWP]

Full stop. Someone can either post what he was convicted of and where he spent his time, or this argument goes away. This isn't to protect Floyd, this is a "We don't want Shadowspear to traffic in bad information" post.

"He had a felony, he was in prison." Was he? Seriously. A charge, a conviction, and where you "lived" are different things.

So, his criminal history is no longer conjecture or "the laws state" but what actually happened. Bring that to the fight or stay home.

 

[757]

Sadly, I don't have access to my Lexis account atm. This, SPN: 01610509, is the closest I could find to an accurate link. In Texas, first degree felonies are 5-99 years depending on the case. Section 29.03. is the Aggravated Robbery section of the penal code for Texas. Floyd seemingly got the minimum of 5 years when he plead guilty.

Since it got brought up earlier, apparently in Texas minor criminals (read two years of less for minor offenses) are housed in state jail facilities whereas more severe criminals (felons) are placed in The Correctional Institutions Division (Texas slang for everything is bigger in our prisons).

I hope this helped move the conversation forward.

 

[AWP]

Sadly, I don't have access to my Lexis account atm. This, SPN: 01610509, is the closest I could find to an accurate link. In Texas, first degree felonies are 5-99 years depending on the case. Section 29.03. is the Aggravated Robbery section of the penal code for Texas. Floyd seemingly got the minimum of 5 years when he plead guilty.

Since it got brought up earlier, apparently in Texas minor criminals (read two years of less for minor offenses) are housed in state jail facilities whereas more severe criminals (felons) are placed in The Correctional Institutions Division (Texas slang for everything is bigger in our prisons).

I hope this helped move the conversation forward.

Not what my last post said. Go do pushups.

 

[Bypass]

Wait.....Why are we defending George Floyd's rap sheet?

I musta woke up in some alternate reality where guys who spend their entire lives not breaking the law and living by the book are now defending a multiple law breaking offender.

 

[Steve1839]

Wait.....Why are we defending George Floyd's rap sheet?

I'm thinking it's a 2020 thing...

 

[Kraut783]

Heh, she retired before her 100K cut happened...kudos to her for saying....

 

[DA SWO]

Heh, she retired before her 100K cut happened...kudos to her for saying....

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And good luck finding a replacement.

 

[Cookie_]

Wait.....Why are we defending George Floyd's rap sheet?

I musta woke up in some alternate reality where guys who spend their entire lives not breaking the law and living by the book are now defending a multiple law breaking offender.

I don't like the whole idea of "this dude was killed by cops, let's see if he has a criminal history so we can blame his death on him" that has become super common.

Somebody can be a massive piece of shit AND treated like shit/killed by the police.