National Protest and 'disband the cops' discussion (and now ICE)

[ThunderHorse]

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Are we also still prescribing Methamphetamines to patients?

Here's the Full Panel from the link @Devildoc posted. I don't get why you're being so combative. (Or maybe that's my bias, since that's been your language choice, or we're all just fucking tired)

1. Fentanyl 11ng/ml
2. Norfentanyl 5.6ng/ml
3. 4-ANP 0.65ng/ml
4. Methamphetime 19ng/ml
5. 11-Hydroxy Delta-9 THC 1.2 ng/ml; Delta-9 Carboxy THC 42ng/ml; Delta-9 THC 2.9 ng/ml
6. Cotinine Positive
7. Caffeine Positive

So in your professional opinion, especially after seeing the body cam footage would you say he was sober or high as a stunt kite?

Gonna need to a scrip for all of that.

 

[Devildoc]

@ThunderHorse , I'm not going to speak for @Dvr55119 , but you can get prescriptions for methamphetamines.

I don't know if he was as high as a kite, or is opioid naive given his medical history but I think it's absolutely rational to think that having all of that on board contributed to a state of mind such as to resist and be combative.

Regarding sickle cell, if he actually had the disease and not just carrying the trait, it's not unheard of that these people get six, eight milligrams of Dilaudid and 250 micrograms of fentanyl in one sitting which budges their pain from a 10 to a 7. In non-medical speak, with you and I, we'd go into respiratory arrest with that.

Personally, I absolutely think it's a contributing factor to his combativeness.

 

[Dame]

Are we also still prescribing Methamphetamines to patients?

Yes. For hospice patients.
Other than that I don't know.

 

[Dame]

If it is a political appointee, think of how "progressive" they will run the department.

He/She would have to fire his/herself.

 

[amlove21]

If it is a political appointee, think of how "progressive" they will run the department.

I, for one, am pumped. <$> Batt out here gonna get bored on quarantine and start rolling deep ‘wishing a MF would’. Might be fun.

 

[ThunderHorse]

And now Toronto, even with a rise in violent gang related crime. There was even 2 guy's arrested, after they threatened people on a beach with chainsaw's. I'd like to see a social worker deal with that. lol

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/tory-police-reform-1.5681916


Bloodied men detained at Toronto beach menaced people with chainsaws: eyewitness

So how did they not get shot?

 

[medicchick]

I, for one, am pumped. <$> Batt out here gonna get bored on quarantine and start rolling deep ‘wishing a MF would’. Might be fun.

I've been waiting...

 

[Blizzard]

On initial contact with the officers, Floyd's behavior can pretty easily be described as paranoid and erratic. Maybe that'd his personality, I don't know, but the officers recognized this as well and immediately began to question if he was on something - PCP or other. They mention his eyes shaking as they try to determine the issue.

At one point, one of the officers also wondered aloud about "excited delirium". That is a controversial subject. It's not a recognized medical condition but some believe it to be true. I don't know much about it, maybe some of you here are familiar with it? I 'd like to know more about it because I do find it strange that he complained about breathing and his chest prior to any restraint on the ground. Even stranger when everyone has grasped onto the breathing comment, when asphyxiation was not the cause of death.

 

[Locksteady]

Are we also still prescribing Methamphetamines to patients?

Yes. For hospice patients.
Other than that I don't know.

ADHD and obesity. As mentioned earlier his blood levels barely even registered into the lowest detectable range for legal therapeutic use.

 

[RackMaster]

So how did they not get shot?

By the time the cops got there, they were probably back to the homeless camp they came from. Not every arrest here requires shots fired.

 

[compforce]

At one point, one of the officers also wondered aloud about "excited delirium". That is a controversial subject. It's not a recognized medical condition but some believe it to be true. I don't know much about it, maybe some of you here are familiar with it? I 'd like to know more about it because I do find it strange that he complained about breathing and his chest prior to any restraint on the ground. Even stranger when everyone has grasped onto the breathing comment, when asphyxiation was not the cause of death.

Officer Tatum talks about it. Note, he's a conservative voice so there is some possible bias, but he tends to focus on the facts.

 

[Deleted member 11415]

Here is what I have found from Harris County Clerk's Office. It took some looking to find original source documents.

post what he was convicted of

04/03/2009 JUDGMENT GUILTY PLEA-NO JURY 04/03/09
04/03/2009 JUDG OFFENSE AGG ROBBERY-DEADLY WPN LEVEL F1 04/03/09

and where he spent his time,

Sentenced to TDC 5 years, starting 04/03/09.

Oc/Held 305 days in Court 337 (Harris County) Jail before pleading guilty to AGG ROBBERY-DEADLY WPN LEVEL F1 between 06/02/08 and 04/03/09.


Here is the link to the court cases for 9 Texas cases in Harris County.

(https://www.hcdistrictclerk.com/eDocs/Public/Search.aspx)

I pulled them yesterday and put them in this PDF.

If I missed the records from the clerk's office in Texas somewhere else in the thread, I apologize.

I highlighted the plea, conviction and sentence, and was going to just list them out, but there are so many court events, it just seemed like way too much information.

*The green highlight on the last case was when I was figuring out whether he was in jail, released on PR, bonded out, and why.

I haven't really come to a conclusion on how I feel or what I think* about these series of events/interesting time in American history, but I sure am glad for SS. I think you folks are the bees knees.

*Edited to add: Systemic oppression is horrific. So is crime and violence. So is racism. I'm a big fan of Service. The intersection of these things I'm not so sure about.

 

[Kraut783]

Guys, this doesn't matter....TDC Prison, State Jail, County jail.....doesn't matter.

 

[Bypass]

Officer Tatum talks about it. Note, he's a conservative voice so there is some possible bias, but he tends to focus on the facts.

Good video. Thanks for posting.

 

[amlove21]

Guys, this doesn't matter....TDC Prison, State Jail, County jail.....doesn't matter.

Can you elaborate on why It doesn’t matter? I really want to agree with you but I’m always wary of high fiving someone without knowing what I’m high fiving.

 

[Ranger Psych]

Guys, this doesn't matter....TDC Prison, State Jail, County jail.....doesn't matter.

Why, because they were found guilty in a court of law by a judge and/or jury of their peers in order to be sentenced and incarcerated?

 

[Bypass]

Remember everyone is entitled to their opinions. Let's not get argumentative. Facts, opinions, and the voices in your head are fine. Nobody here is responsible for Floyds death. We are all just stating opinions.

 

[Locksteady]

Guys, this doesn't matter....TDC Prison, State Jail, County jail.....doesn't matter.

If that were indeed the case (at least in others' minds), you'd wouldn't find posters spending two of the last four pages performing all kinds of logical somersaults to hamfistedly reframe the supposedly trivial 'jail' corrections to the meme back into nonexistent prison sentences.

 

[Rabid Badger]

Officer Tatum talks about it. Note, he's a conservative voice so there is some possible bias, but he tends to focus on the facts.

Excellent video and NOT conservative AT ALL if you ignore the shirt and hat. The lawyers in the case for each officer will mosdef run with every sentence he said for months on end.

Here is what I have found from Harris County Clerk's Office. It took some looking to find original source documents

I've had to inquire with the TDC in Harris County multiple times about my daughters ex-boyfriend and the father of my Grandson. He served TIME in the TDC for MULTIPLE felonies over the last decade, AG ASSAULT, AG ASSAULT FELON W/FIREARM, DIST OF CONTR SUBST, = etc...etc...HE KEEPS GETTING OUT.
The "gangstas" in Travis County and Harris County surrounding Houston Tx call the TDC - SCHOOL.

 

[AWP]

Here's the Full Panel from the link @Devildoc posted. I don't get why you're being so combative. (Or maybe that's my bias, since that's been your language choice, or we're all just fucking tired)

Let's go with we're all just fucking tired. His post isn't combative. No more, no less. It's just a post.

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