^That's funny, I have to go home and swat my 15 y/o for disrespecting his mom while I'm gone.
National Protest and 'disband the cops' discussion (and now ICE)
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@BlackSmokeRisinG here is the twitter link.
The NYT did a really good analysis of the incident from the many videos that have come out.
Tracking the Suspect in the Fatal Kenosha Shootings
Tracking the Suspect in the Fatal Kenosha Shootings
^Notice at the end of the last video on the page, the kid walks straight up to the police car to turn himself in and they ignore him. Then he backs up like the officer is pointing a gun at him or something.
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Yeah, agree. Although I'm not 100% certain, but I think the video and confrontation you're referring to tool place the night before?
Nonetheless, careful what you wish for, you just might get it.
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I think that this is a foundational, fundamental part of it: people have become so comfortable with running their mouths off on social media with no repercussions, they are actually surprised when there ARE repercussions in the real world. It's easy to be a woke cyber-bully from the confines of your computer screen.
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Or, in at least two cases, very asleep.
Unrelated to the thread but we were just talking about this at work, fewer and fewer parents any more are willing to discipline their kids. Anecdotally there is a 45 year old mom that lets her 12 year old hit, curse at her, and say derogatory comments in public about her.
My mom is now 50, I have 12 inches of height on her and out weigh her by about 50 pounds, I still fear my mothers backhand or worse a shoe being thrown.
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The changing social climate in the West around corporal discipline, along with the increased awareness of the very real legal risks to delivering any form of it in public, are probably the two biggest contributors to this change you're seeing in parenting behavior.
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10-11ish years ago my 6ft 2 step-brother was being a dick to my special needs sister and my mother slapped the shit out of him. He called the cops, they came up and saw the difference in height and weight and left. Told his punk ass to behave.
I went through OBC with a Mississippi State trooper, he tells a story about how he caught a 16 yr old drinking under a bridge with some old guys, knew the kid's dad and called him up. His dad rolls up to take custody and asks: you gonna arrest me if I hit my kid? He goes naw, can I watch? And the kid gets a beating.
Telling you, that the lack of corporal punishment is having a severe effect on society today. The lack of fearing your parents etc.
I went through OBC with a Mississippi State trooper, he tells a story about how he caught a 16 yr old drinking under a bridge with some old guys, knew the kid's dad and called him up. His dad rolls up to take custody and asks: you gonna arrest me if I hit my kid? He goes naw, can I watch? And the kid gets a beating.
Telling you, that the lack of corporal punishment is having a severe effect on society today. The lack of fearing your parents etc.
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Disagree because:
I was raised with daily beatings and was a shit kid.
My wife (now ex) and I made the decision early on to not hit our kids. (Twin boys).
At a young age they learned to say “yes dad, no dad” and to respect their mom like they did their own lives.
They are now 17 and still treat their mom with crazy respect and rarely, if ever, talk back to us. Daily, even in public they tell us that they love us.
I don’t want my kids to fear physical violence from me, I want them to fear disappointing me.
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Too many parents wait until kids are near teenage before implementing rules and expectations. That’s way too late. It needs to begin when they are toddlers. Something my ex used to fight me about, but now she thanks me.
There's a balance that is very blurred between discipline and beating the hell out of a kid that I think gets lost on some people either through actually believing that they need to beat the fuck out of their child. Or on the flipside clutching pearls when a child is spanked.
I should clarify that I'm not fearful of my mom or even of my dad from physical violence. But that the consequences of my actions instilled a respect in me and taught me not to be a little shit.
I think this is really the crux of it, I've had friends that were allowed to do whatever they wanted until their teens and it was too late at that point while others who had strong and firm parents from the age of being a toddler stay in the lines.
But then again I don't have a kid so what do I know, if people are interested in discussing further I can make a thread otherwise I've derailed this one enough already.
I should clarify that I'm not fearful of my mom or even of my dad from physical violence. But that the consequences of my actions instilled a respect in me and taught me not to be a little shit.
I think this is really the crux of it, I've had friends that were allowed to do whatever they wanted until their teens and it was too late at that point while others who had strong and firm parents from the age of being a toddler stay in the lines.
But then again I don't have a kid so what do I know, if people are interested in discussing further I can make a thread otherwise I've derailed this one enough already.
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Ok, so this takes a bit more nuance to explain my position and time. My better half works in family law for the state. She puts the scumbags (moms, dads, rapists, everything) on the registry. We often talk about where the line is between abuse and discipline.
I honestly don't think physical beatings of a 16 year old do anything. Beating the snot out of a four year old with a switch (Adrian Peterson, hello) is abuse, not discipline. A short spanking is discipline. But corporal punishment when utilized needs to be a part of a holistic system with children. Can't just hit your child because you feel like it etc. So yes, most of this revolves around setting down rules and expectations when children are toddlers.
My Step-brother was raised by his mother until he was 12 and my step-sister was 9. They had zero rules and expectations. And their mom also ran a meth lab in their house. Their mom was a PoS. We had rules in our house, and he rebelled for the 8 years he lived with us. My step-sister rebelled some, mostly taking the cue from her brother but not nearly as much. My Step-brother hasn't held down a job for longer than 3 months at a time and is somewhere in Oregon where he can't seem to pay his phone bill.
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My dad died when I was 8. My mom was a shitty mom for a bunch of reasons, but she did her best. She did not know how to use 'escalating' discipline: for just about any fraction minor or major, she'd beat the shit out of me. Shoe, belt, switch, hand, whatever. And always out of anger.
I have spanked my kids, but not a lot, and never when I was angry. I would always let the anger dissipate, tell my kids why I was spanking, help them see the errors of their ways, said a prayer with them, did the deed and moved on. I have also engaged in other forms of discipline which would get parents in trouble: washing mouth out with soap and burpees the most egregious.
I think you can spank/hit without turning it into a beat-down. Or not (hit, at all). I think there is more than one way to skin that cat.
I have spanked my kids, but not a lot, and never when I was angry. I would always let the anger dissipate, tell my kids why I was spanking, help them see the errors of their ways, said a prayer with them, did the deed and moved on. I have also engaged in other forms of discipline which would get parents in trouble: washing mouth out with soap and burpees the most egregious.
I think you can spank/hit without turning it into a beat-down. Or not (hit, at all). I think there is more than one way to skin that cat.
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Back to the violence and false narratives. Why does the mainstream media continue to lie? Seriously.
Once again, this is not the narrative we were fed. Remember, Blake showed up to break up an argument between two women? How does this fit that story and why isn't the media correcting it?!
Once again, this is not the narrative we were fed. Remember, Blake showed up to break up an argument between two women? How does this fit that story and why isn't the media correcting it?!
Not sure how I woke up in an alternate universe this morning, but the NY Times has assembled a timeline of the kid with the rifle, and it doesn’t feed him to Ramsay Bolton’s dogs. From what they’ve found, and I know it’s still early on in the investigation, it’s not as clear cut as folks want for this murder charge.
Here’s a Twitter thread from a reporter with the NYT that sums it up if you’ve used up your free articles for the month.
Here’s a Twitter thread from a reporter with the NYT that sums it up if you’ve used up your free articles for the month.
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I quit reading their timeline when they failed to mention dipshit #1 tossed some sort of incendiary at the kid with the rifle while he chased him. It's clear in every video of the incident and very material to the case. So, just more shitty reporting...
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1. It will almost always take more time for official police/dispatch 'narratives' to be disseminated to the media due to both reporting and official announcement regulations held by the LE department in question.
2. The media reporting and citing the claims of eyewitnesses does not constitute 'lying'.
3. No seems to have made any claims as to what got Blake there in the first place. Multiple eyewitnesses reported what they saw occurring prior to the arrival of police. You've added your own unsupported premise (why he showed up) to the 'narrative'and then taken exception to it based on the assumption you inserted.
4. What Blake did to prompt his girlfriend's 911 call and what people said they saw him doing prior to police arrival are neither necessarily the same thing nor mutually exclusive, absent more information showing otherwise.
I'll have to find it again. but the footage of the "molotov" is faked according to a few things I've seen.
Seems like it's a plastic bag with something in it for weight, but cant tell from the video what it is.
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