National Protest and 'disband the cops' discussion (and now ICE)

Blizzard said:
I quit reading their timeline when they failed to mention dipshit #1 tossed some sort of incendiary at the kid with the rifle while he chased him. It's clear in every video of the incident and very material to the case. So, just more shitty reporting...
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He threw "something" at him. I doubt it was an incendiary or brick. It looked more like a plastic bag with some trash in it the way it floated to the ground. However...there is an angle that shows that the guy chasing him had closed to hand to hand range and was reaching for the kid before he was shot. I still haven't seen a single angle that shows that the kid was the one that actually pulled the trigger. They'll have a tough time prosecuting that one if the kid didn't/doesn't confess to it.
 
compforce said:
He threw "something" at him. I doubt it was an incendiary or brick. It looked more like a plastic bag with some trash in it the way it floated to the ground. However...there is an angle that shows that the guy chasing him had closed to hand to hand range and was reaching for the kid before he was shot. I still haven't seen a single angle that shows that the kid was the one that actually pulled the trigger. They'll have a tough time prosecuting that one if the kid didn't/doesn't confess to it.
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When the bag is thrown it looks like there is something in it and it appears to make a clink sound when it lands. It also seems to me like the rioter kicks at the bag briefly for some reason. The times also pointed out people were firing their handguns before Kyle fired off his rifle
 
So was it an argument between two of his girlfriend's? One he had
Locksteady said:
1. It will almost always take more time for official police/dispatch 'narratives' to be disseminated to the media due to both reporting and official announcement regulations held by the LE department in question.
2. The media reporting and citing the claims of eyewitnesses does not constitute 'lying'.
3. No seems to have made any claims as to what got Blake there in the first place. Multiple eyewitnesses reported what they saw occurring prior to the arrival of police. You've added your own unsupported premise (why he showed up) to the 'narrative'and then taken exception to it based on the assumption you inserted.
4. What Blake did to prompt his girlfriend's 911 call and what people said they saw him doing prior to police arrival are neither necessarily the same thing nor mutually exclusive, absent more information showing otherwise.
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You can put "girlfriend" in quotes. Not sure why anyone doesn't break up with, but chooses a "break" with someone who allegedly committed an act of sexual violence against them.
 
compforce said:
He threw "something" at him. I doubt it was an incendiary or brick. It looked more like a plastic bag with some trash in it the way it floated to the ground. However...there is an angle that shows that the guy chasing him had closed to hand to hand range and was reaching for the kid before he was shot. I still haven't seen a single angle that shows that the kid was the one that actually pulled the trigger. They'll have a tough time prosecuting that one if the kid didn't/doesn't confess to it.
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Regarding the incendiary, I've seen similar setups in live stream videos being used to burn down garbage trucks. Spitballing, I think these turds are making crude incendiary devices using trash bags, accelerates, and/or magnesium.

Two night ago I saw an idiot put a burning trash bag and assorted junk on a garbage truck and thought, "Wow, that's retarded. It aint gonna burn". Later in the live stream the truck caught flame where the idiots had piled that shit on. Considering the Popular Mechanics article on DIY thermite, to tear down statutes, I think anything is possible.
 
Blizzard said:
Back to the violence and false narratives. Why does the mainstream media continue to lie? Seriously.

Once again, this is not the narrative we were fed. Remember, Blake showed up to break up an argument between two women? How does this fit that story and why isn't the media correcting it?!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1298637979267682304
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"This is not the narrative we were fed". Think about that statement for a second. "This is not the narrative we were fed". Let me repeat that ~~~~> ?
Blizzard said:
"ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS NOT THE NARRATIVE WE WERE FED"
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""""Police scanner audio in Kenosha indicates a woman called 911 to report Jacob Blake was at her home & wasn’t supposed to be, & had stolen her keys. Responding police were made aware of Blake’s arrest warrant for domestic abuse & a felony sex crime. #KenoshaRiots #BlackLivesMatter""""

False Narratives? I suppose that depends on which false narrative you choose to believe and not do due diligence.

Which MSM is lying? Seriously?

Police Scanner Audio is ALWAYS FOIA ( Freedom of Information Act) and WILL be made public soon.

Correct What? We WILL find out who's lying. It just takes time and Patience.

Blake's arrest warrant for domestic abuse & a felony sex crime are by now common knowledge and do come in to play when he was told to stop and obey commands from the Law Enforcement Officers. He chose not to Comply. He was Tased to no effect. Was he reaching for the knife in the front seat? We don't know. Time and patience for the investigation to come to completion is all we can do at this point.

This could be an eyeopening moment for you B, but I'm sure I'll get smoked for posting this. The media Lies to you every single day. You have to change the channel and research. Don't just watch one channel or use one media source for your news. Maybe you don't anyway, but MSM are treacherous leeches and they lurk everywhere.
 
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Rabid Badger said:
"This is not the narrative we were fed". Think about that statement for a second. "This is not the narrative we were fed". Let me repeat that ~~~~> ?

""""Police scanner audio in Kenosha indicates a woman called 911 to report Jacob Blake was at her home & wasn’t supposed to be, & had stolen her keys. Responding police were made aware of Blake’s arrest warrant for domestic abuse & a felony sex crime. #KenoshaRiots #BlackLivesMatter""""

False Narratives? I suppose that depends on which false narrative you choose to believe and not do due diligence.

Which MSM is lying? Seriously?

Police Scanner Audio is ALWAYS FOIA ( Freedom of Information Act) and WILL be made public soon.

Correct What? We WILL find out who's lying. It just takes time and Patience.

Blake's arrest warrant for domestic abuse & a felony sex crime are by now common knowledge and do come in to play when he was told to stop and obey commands from the Law Enforcement Officers. He chose not to Comply. He was Tased to no effect. Was he reaching for the knife in the front seat? We don't know. Time and patience for the investigation to come to completion is all we can do at this point.

This could be an eyeopening moment for you B, but I'm sure I'll get smoked for posting this. The media Lies to you every single day. You have to change the channel and research. Don't just watch one channel or use one media source for your news. Maybe you don't anyway, but MSM are treacherous leeches and they lurk everywhere.
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I hear you and agree. Although it may not have come across this way, my question was really kind of rhetorical.

The fact is we live in a society that is irrational and quickly jumps to conclusions. Sometimes, facts may not matter either, especially when actions fit a viewpoint we want them to support. We've seen this repeatedly over the past several months. Technology provides us with a lot of data but not necessarily the skills or time to process it. As a result, we have all kinds of knee jerk reactions to events (as much as I try to step back, I include myself in this at times). Unfortunately, we often don't take the time to correct that rush to judgment or it's too late to correct it.

As a general statement, the media has really fallen into this trap and it's troubling to me.
 
Blizzard said:
I hear you and agree. Although it may not have come across this way, my question was really kind of rhetorical.

The fact is we live in a society that is irrational and quickly jumps to conclusions. Sometimes, facts may not matter either, especially when actions fit a viewpoint we want them to support. We've seen this repeatedly over the past several months. Technology provides us with a lot of data but not necessarily the skills or time to process it. As a result, we have all kinds of knee jerk reactions to events (as much as I try to step back, I include myself in this at times). Unfortunately, we often don't take the time to correct that rush to judgment or it's too late to correct it.

As a general statement, the media has really fallen into this trap and it's troubling to me.
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The only part I disagree with is the last bit (bolded). The media hasn't "fallen into this trap," the media "is" the trap. What's happening in America right now is what they want to see. They benefit from it, they approve of it, and they want it to continue. Objectivity went out the window a looooong time ago and now it's all about "winning." Winning, and hating.

The most recent example that springs to mind is CNN's "Fiery but mostly peaceful protests" chyron that they ran when their man on the ground was literally standing in front of a burning storefront.

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Locksteady said:
1. It will almost always take more time for official police/dispatch 'narratives' to be disseminated to the media due to both reporting and official announcement regulations held by the LE department in question. Agreed. Not a question.
2. The media reporting and citing the claims of eyewitnesses does not constitute 'lying'.
If you're a journalist and not verifying facts before you report them, you need to state this and update your story once you do verify them. Not being forthright with info is disingenuous.
3. No seems to have made any claims as to what got Blake there in the first place. Multiple eyewitnesses reported what they saw occurring prior to the arrival of police. You've added your own unsupported premise (why he showed up) to the 'narrative'and then taken exception to it based on the assumption you inserted.
Untrue. From the first article link on the topic here:
George Floyd/National Protests
"More than 60 people were gathered following the shooting at the scene with several saying that the Black man was trying to break up a verbal altercation between two women shortly after 5 p.m."
The content of this quote is consistent with virtually every report from every media outlet I've seen up to this point.
4. What Blake did to prompt his girlfriend's 911 call and what people said they saw him doing prior to police arrival are neither necessarily the same thing nor mutually exclusive, absent more information showing otherwise. OK, not sure what point your trying to convey here.
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I don't have the time to post lengthy responses to your post but added some brief responses in bold.
 
Marauder06 said:
The only part I disagree with is the last bit (bolded). The media hasn't "fallen into this trap," the media "is" the trap. What's happening in America right now is what they want to see. They benefit from it, they approve of it, and they want it to continue. Objectivity went out the window a looooong time ago and now it's all about "winning." Winning, and hating.

The most recent example that springs to mind is CNN's "Fiery but mostly peaceful protests" chyron that they ran when their man on the ground was literally standing in front of a burning storefront.

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Fair callout and I agree. 👍
 
Blizzard said:
I don't have the time to post lengthy responses to your post but added some brief responses in bold.
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No worries. I appreciate the response.
Locksteady said:
1. It will almost always take more time for official police/dispatch 'narratives' to be disseminated to the media due to both reporting and official announcement regulations held by the LE department in question. Agreed. Not a question.
2. The media reporting and citing the claims of eyewitnesses does not constitute 'lying'.
If you're a journalist and not verifying facts before you report them, you need to state this and update your story once you do verify them. Not being forthright with info is lying. They didn't ever claim it was a fact. The reported what other people said and cited them. It is no one but the reader's fault for confusing a claim that the media outlet makes a point of citing to the source with media itself claiming it as a fact.
3. No seems to have made any claims as to what got Blake there in the first place. Multiple eyewitnesses reported what they saw occurring prior to the arrival of police. You've added your own unsupported premise (why he showed up) to the 'narrative'and then taken exception to it based on the assumption you inserted.
Untrue. From the first article link on the topic here:
George Floyd/National Protests
"More than 60 people were gathered following the shooting at the scene with several saying that the Black man was trying to break up a verbal altercation between two women shortly after 5 p.m. Nothing about this is negating my point. You claimed that the media was 'lying' about what brought him to the scene when the girlfriend's dispatch call was publicized. It doesn't demonstrate that he wasn't breaking up an altercation before the police arrived.
4. What Blake did to prompt his girlfriend's 911 call and what people said they saw him doing prior to police arrival are neither necessarily the same thing nor mutually exclusive, absent more information showing otherwise. OK, not sure what point your trying to convey here. The point is the fact she called doesn't establish that he wasn't breaking up an altercation when the cops came, particularly when it wasn't asserted that that is what brought him to his girlfriend's spot in the first place.
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Blizzard said:
Not too weird. Kenosha sits right on the border of IL. The kid's town of Antioch just happens to be on the IL side of the border a few miles away. To me the fleeing charge is silly; it's a short and reasonable drive. He simply went home.

I'm sure they'll try to make an example out of him. I don't know how the law reads in WI but a murder one charge seems overreacting based on what little I've seen so far.
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Thanks for the explanation.
 

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