National Protest and 'disband the cops' discussion (and now ICE)

[R.Caerbannog]

I spent a lot of time reading the leaked county jail phone conversations between the group being investigated and the report on the evidence that lead to the raid.

For those of you who would shoot anything coming in your house unannounced at 0' dark 30, I have no sympathy for you either of you think selling crack is a legitimate way to make a living.

Go read up on the investigation and the phone conversations yourselves. She had $8k in cash from boyfriend crack dealer somewhere in the house or car. That's a lot of fucked up futures for a lot of small children who's parents are hopelessly addicted to crack... Turning her life around...race baiting...I'm not gonna hear it...

If you are involved in selling drugs, being the support network for selling drugs, don't play the victim card when the police execute a search warrant on your residence...no knock or knock warrant....bad things can happen....

As someone who grew up in a neighborhood plagued by drug dealing idiots, I want to thank you for telling it like it is. I don't think people realize the secondary and tertiary effects these people have on the community and people within.

Growing up we had a drug queenpin (?), from LA, who used our neighborhood as a distribution center. It went on for years. She and her husband/brothers would set up drops in the lot us neighborhood kids played in. I distinctly remember the fancy cars of the affluent townies who would drop by to score their fix. The neighborhood was elated when they were finally raided and carted off.

 

[BlackSmokeRisinG]

Bruh if you're saying I can just kick down your door in the middle of the night and you wont react to it, how about you just mail me some of your valuables right now and save me the trip?



Can I get a citation please?

I'm not part of a crack dealing ring so....I guess the point is lost on you.

 

[SaintKP]

I'm not part of a crack dealing ring so....I guess the point is lost on you.

A few months back I'd write a long winded and immature post, now all I have is just, really?

 

[Cookie_]

I'm not part of a crack dealing ring so....I guess the point is lost on you.

Neither was the guy who shot the officer. Let's highlight your comment again

For those of you who would shoot anything coming in your house unannounced at 0' dark 30, I have no sympathy for you

The whole bit about "selling crack" isn't what I'm talking about; you said you have no sympathy for someone defending their home.

 

[Ooh-Rah]

I'm not part of a crack dealing ring so....I guess the point is lost on you.

You’ve been asked to tone it down multiple times.

Consider this a formal warning.

Points assessed.

 

[Kraut783]

No one is saying any of us would not engage anyone breaking into our house, and protect ourselves and family...this is not about that.

This is about a legal search warrant on a drug house that happen to go bad....the police did not hit the "wrong" address, but a legitimate target of the investigation.

I have done many no knock and knock and announce SW's, especially in the violent crack cocaine days.....there are reasons there are no knocks, but to be honest, hitting a house at zero dark thirty....no matter if it is a knock and announce...no one is up and it is a surprise every time.

Most times...there are no issues and people go to jail, sometimes....it goes bad and someone goes to the morgue. That is part of the J O B and part of being involved in the drug trade.

 

[Blizzard]

Agreed.

There were simultaneous warrants being executed by other officers at a few other related locations.

Just to correct my previous response. Looks like there were only 3 officers at Taylor's address.

 

[BlackSmokeRisinG]

Neither was the guy who shot the officer. Let's highlight your comment again



The whole bit about "selling crack" isn't what I'm talking about; you said you have no sympathy for someone defending their home.

Yes, he in fact was and he was under surveillance, which is why the police were there. Read the report, this has nothing to do with someone bdefending their home.

With the snark directed at me, I'm not sure I could have been any more respectful. Read the police report that's out there.

 

[AWP]

Neither was the guy who shot the officer. Let's highlight your comment again

You could have made your point without coming across as condescending.

"Neither was the guy who shot the officer. Earlier, you stated..."
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"Neither was the guy who shot the officer."
(Inserts earlier quoted section)
(Responds accordingly)
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"Neither was the guy who shot the officer. Reading your earlier post..."

 

[Cookie_]

Yes, he in fact was and he was under surveillance, which is why the police were there. Read the report, this has nothing to do with someone bdefending their home.

With the snark directed at me, I'm not sure I could have been any more respectful. Read the police report that's out there.

I'm not seeing Kenneth Walker in that report, other than when people are discussing the shooting itself; I do see Adrian Walker mentioned, but that's a different person. They aren't related either.

You could have made your point without coming across as condescending.

"Neither was the guy who shot the officer. Earlier, you stated..."
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"Neither was the guy who shot the officer."
(Inserts earlier quoted section)
(Responds accordingly)
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"Neither was the guy who shot the officer. Reading your earlier post..."

Got it; I'll watch the wording.

 

[R.Caerbannog]

Bruh if you're saying I can just kick down your door in the middle of the night and you wont react to it, how about you just mail me some of your valuables right now and save me the trip?

Just wanted to highlight this. And this.


Using sophism to normalize the behavior of someone in the drug trade as that of a law abiding citizen is rather obtuse. Boggles my mind that people are actively trying to normalize deviancy, which can covertly or overtly translate into support for a festering socialist insurgency.

As for kicking down doors... I didn't know you were infantry.

 

[Salt USMC]

Just wanted to highlight this. And this.
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Using sophism to normalize the behavior of someone in the drug trade as that of a law abiding citizen is rather obtuse. Boggles my mind that people are actively trying to normalize deviancy, which can covertly or overtly translate into support for a festering socialist insurgency.

 

[SaintKP]

@R.Caerbannog , @Cookie_ can correct me if I'm wrong but he isn't condoning or trying to "normalize the behavior of someone in the drug trade as that of a law abiding citizen". He is attacking the point that was raised by @BlackSmokeRisinG in regards to defending your home(same goes for you @BlackSmokeRisinG , correct me if I'm misunderstanding your point).

Clearly there's a divide in regards to how each of us think of or expect criminals or those around criminal activity should be treated. I don't see how that can "covertly or overtly translate into support for a festering socialist insurgency.".

If anything I feel as if that's as you say obtuse and I'd go so far as a simple way of looking at things.

 

[Cookie_]

Just wanted to highlight this. And this.
View attachment 35906

Using sophism to normalize the behavior of someone in the drug trade as that of a law abiding citizen is rather obtuse. Boggles my mind that people are actively trying to normalize deviancy, which can covertly or overtly translate into support for a festering socialist insurgency.

As for kicking down doors... I didn't know you were infantry.

We've been talking about Kenneth Walker, ya know, the guy not listed on that sheet?

I'm pretty libertarian when it comes to drugs; most every country that has decriminalized them have seen reductions in use and the associated crimes.
That doesn't mean that I'm trying to argue the criminal element is ok; I'm not.

I have nothing for your deviancy sentence, because I don't even understand what you're getting at.

You'd be amazed who they train to kick in doors during sea-biscuits, and even more amazed that some of those guys actually get to do it on deployment.

 

[RackMaster]

ALL STOP! This has been beaten to death. Everyone take a break.

 

[amlove21]

My man @RackMaster hit the nail on the head.

I'll do you all one better, the thread is locked. The staff is going to chat about whether we need it at all; it's not like we stay on topic in these threads anyway. I am going to suggest we combine all this dumb shit into a super thread where you all can get together and talk out the ideas of America's social fabric, politics, election, and social issues.

More to follow.

 

[Ooh-Rah]

The staff is going to chat about whether we need it at all; it's not like we stay on topic in these threads anyway. I am going to suggest we combine all this dumb shit into a super thread where you all can get together and talk out the ideas of America's social fabric, politics, election, and social issues.

September 27, 2020

This is your official National Protest and 'disband the cops' discussion thread. It is a merge of both.

Anything and everything "social" related should go into this thread. If a new thread Social related is started, there is a VERY good chance it will be merged into this thread without notice or fanfare.

- staff

 

[Cookie_]

A juror from the Taylor case has filed a motion to have all the grand jury proceedings released, because they argued that the AG is misrepresenting the case in order to use the jurors as a shield.

The juror claims they were never given the option of indicting the other two officers, and never given the option to indict for homicide at all.

You think riots are bad now because people because think the system protects cops?
Imagine how bad it will be these documents show the AG was "lying".

Breonna Taylor case grand juror: We weren’t given the option of indicting the two cops who shot her

 

[Locksteady]

Not surprising at all.

 

[ThunderHorse]

So the AG took to the grand jury what his team put together as a case that they looked at being able to successfully prosecute, and said grand jury indicted.

Indicting people just to indict them because it is politically expedient is dummer than shit. Also, expect KY to go hard red in November when it comes to who actually shows up to the polls.