National Protest and 'disband the cops' discussion (and now ICE)

[Kraut783]

This reminds me of the climate activist in Europe...trying to shut down road and the people aren't having any of it and just drive through or pull them out of the way.

People will just get sick of this crap...

 

[amlove21]

This reminds me of the climate activist in Europe...trying to shut down road and the people aren't having any of it and just drive through or pull them out of the way.

People will just get sick of this crap...

LA needs to get its shit together and now. Guard, LAPD, Marines, don’t care.

Because you *really* wanna see shit pop off? Push people to where citizens are taking what actions they think necessary agains other citizens. That’s when things go south for real.

 

[Jaknight]

Lots to unpack here. To your bolded- rank your problems with America, I am tracking that illegal mass migration and it's impacts to taxes, resources, congressional seats, human trafficking, drug trafficking, and domestic terror attacks is last.

For brevity, just list your top 5 problems that you have with America.

1. America’s increasing division between left and right—it’s getting worse, and I think it’s going to end badly.
2. Trump and the right’s growing love affair with authoritarianism.
3. The cost of living.
4. Student loans.
5. The left’s wave of anti-American sentiment.

And medical care yeah, that should be universal by now.

In the end, though, none of this seems to matter. Trump and many of his hardcore supporters wanted it to play out this way. I think this is all a dog and pony show, designed to stir fear and push people into accepting authoritarian control. And if that’s what they want, then fine go all the way. Why stop at undocumented immigrants

 

[ThunderHorse]

1. America’s increasing division between left and right—it’s getting worse, and I think it’s going to end badly.
2. Trump and the right’s growing love affair with authoritarianism.
3. The cost of living.
4. Student loans.
5. The left’s wave of anti-American sentiment.

And medical care yeah, that should be universal by now.

In the end, though, none of this seems to matter. Trump and many of his hardcore supporters wanted it to play out this way. I think this is all a dog and pony show, designed to stir fear and push people into accepting authoritarian control. And if that’s what they want, then fine go all the way. Why stop at undocumented immigrants

Show me where the Trump administration is being Authoritarian? Was Clinton an authoritarian when had thousands of ICE raids in the 90s? When he deployed the Marines to put down the Rodney King Riots?

How is enforcing the law being an authoritarian? Because the Democrats actually were authoritarian. They just didn't enforce immigration law.

Deporting illegals isn't being an authoritarian, it's doing his job as POTUS.

The Left? They need to get gone. They've imported anti-American ideology. They can move to China.

 

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[Jaknight]

Show me where the Trump administration is being Authoritarian? Was Clinton an authoritarian when had thousands of ICE raids in the 90s? When he deployed the Marines to put down the Rodney King Riots?

How is enforcing the law being an authoritarian? Because the Democrats actually were authoritarian. They just didn't enforce immigration law.

Deporting illegals isn't being an authoritarian, it's doing his job as POTUS.

The Left? They need to get gone. They've imported anti-American ideology. They can move to China.

I would say that ignoring court orders to return deported individuals invoking wartime powers like the Enemy Alien Act during peacetime, denying immigrants especially those who have lived here peacefully and built roots a fair hearing, and making legal immigration even harder by changing laws, are actions I find suspicious and wrong, even if some believe they're necessary.

 

[Devildoc]

I would say that ignoring court orders to return deported individuals invoking wartime powers like the Enemy Alien Act during peacetime, denying immigrants especially those who have lived here peacefully and built roots a fair hearing, and making legal immigration even harder by changing laws, are actions I find suspicious and wrong, even if some believe they're necessary.

I think part of the problem is the courts ordering the stays or whatever are doing so outside of their jurisdiction. But that's not new; Biden did the same thing, ignoring court orders.

I do feel like immigrants who have been in the community with no criminal activity and ties to the community should have opportunity for assimilation and not necessarily be carted off to El Salvador. But at the end of the day if they are here illegally who can really be surprised if they are deported?

 

[Cookie_]

I do feel like immigrants who have been in the community with no criminal activity and ties to the community should have opportunity for assimilation and not necessarily be carted off to El Salvador.

A political lifetime ago (January-ish) I mentioned that Trump could have channeled Reagan and developed an Amnesty Program.

It would have allowed ICE/CBP to focus more time/money on high risk individuals instead of meeting quotas, had people willing submitting themselves for processing, single-handedly build on the moment of minority support for the GOP and, for pure schadenfreude, seen Dems losing their minds arguing it was someone bad or misleading.

Obviously note a solution everybody might support, but there was precedent and benefits from it. Would have been a great jumping off point for overall immigration reform, which is something that needs tackled.

 

[amlove21]

1. America’s increasing division between left and right—it’s getting worse, and I think it’s going to end badly.
2. Trump and the right’s growing love affair with authoritarianism.
3. The cost of living.
4. Student loans.
5. The left’s wave of anti-American sentiment.

And medical care yeah, that should be universal by now.

In the end, though, none of this seems to matter. Trump and many of his hardcore supporters wanted it to play out this way. I think this is all a dog and pony show, designed to stir fear and push people into accepting authoritarian control. And if that’s what they want, then fine go all the way. Why stop at undocumented immigrants

Thanks for answering. Just an observation from your bolded; you mentioned the division between left and right as your most prescient problem, and then lobbed an untenable and unprovable ad hom at the leader of the right wing. Do you find that the least bit ironic? Maybe just a little?

How do you think Obama's 8 years affected this "left/right" division? When did that division start, in your estimation?

I would say that ignoring court orders to return deported individuals invoking wartime powers like the Enemy Alien Act during peacetime, denying immigrants especially those who have lived here peacefully and built roots a fair hearing, and making legal immigration even harder by changing laws, are actions I find suspicious and wrong, even if some believe they're necessary.

Woof. What court order did he ignore? Certainly, you aren't talking about the Supreme Court 9-0 ruling that prescribed the facilitation of a return of (alleged) human trafficker, charged illegal immigrant, charged wife beater (with a boot!), and MS-13 gang member Kilmar Abrigo Garcia? Fun update- he's back, awaiting his trial for a new charge. So, technically, the US GOV complied explicitly with that court order, since, you know, he's here and awaiting trial for selling children into sex slavery.

To your bolded- which specific laws were changed? How did that make legal immigration harder?

 

[amlove21]

A political lifetime ago (January-ish) I mentioned that Trump could have channeled Reagan and developed an Amnesty Program.

It would have allowed ICE/CBP to focus more time/money on high risk individuals instead of meeting quotas, had people willing submitting themselves for processing, single-handedly build on the moment of minority support for the GOP and, for pure schadenfreude, seen Dems losing their minds arguing it was someone bad or misleading.

Obviously note a solution everybody might support, but there was precedent and benefits from it. Would have been a great jumping off point for overall immigration reform, which is something that needs tackled.

You can draw a straight line from that 1986 bill to the problems California had today.

Reagan, with a sweep of a pen, granted citizenship to 3M illegal immigrants and turned Cali from a Republican state to the sanctuary state they are today. This is precisely why I care about immigration so deeply- illegals are counted on the census. The census leads to congressional and senatorial power for these states. Dumping 3M voters in Cali is how we got here today, and why the left is coordinating violent riots all over America a the thought of removing illegal immigrants.

Reagan wasn't a conservative, and the Amnesty Bill is only second to the Flores Agreement in net-negative impacts on immigration in this country. The Flores Agreement enabled the human trafficking of children on a disgusting and grand scale. Here is the OIG report on the February '23 findings.

Bottom line- 291,000 unaccounted for kids.

 

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[amlove21]

We all know the riots are funded- but by whom, you ask? The state of California via an organization tied into the CCP, CHIRLA, or the Coalition for Humane Immigrant Rights.

From the article, this group also received around $450K from DHS... that was stopped and $100K was clawed back earlier this year. Anyway, here's wonderwall.

 

[amlove21]

My absolute favorite video today. I was told that not listening to BIPOC individuals was racist and bigoted... is that not true, chat?

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[Devildoc]

My absolute favorite video today. I was told that not listening to BIPOC individuals was racist and bigoted... is that not true, chat?

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You see, this is what stymies me: the fact they do this and cannot actually see with any intellectual honesty the issues with their argument. They actually think their argument makes some sort of sense.

It's like they could eat a can of alphabet soup and shit a more logical argument.

 

[amlove21]

You see, this is what stymies me: the fact they do this and cannot actually see with any intellectual honesty the issues with their argument. They actually think their argument makes some sort of sense.

It's like they could eat a can of alphabet soup and shit a more logical argument.

This is more of an overhead observation about the progressives/liberals (not all dems)- it's the lack of principles. They're willing to abandon anything resembling a principled argument for whatever suits them now. This works in their favor most times, because America rides trends.

Every single issue they champion completely lacks a simple principle at it's base. "We are the party of minorities!" ... well here is a video of two progressive folks mocking a minority because the current thing is more important than the principle you supposedly espouse.

Not that anyone ever asks, but I can take *any* issue and give you the non-secular bumper sticker principle for every single issue I talk about/care about. Abortion. Immigration. Taxation. Voting. Literally any issue. From there we can have as nuanced a conversation as you'd like, and until presented with data that confounds or outright contradicts my principled position, that's where I make my home.

There are plenty of democrats that I disagree with (Ro Khanna notably)- but they have a principled position on topics and rarely stray from it, so I will give them credit where it's due. But those folks are so few and far between it's easy to know their names. Being fair, it's also a huge problem on the right. And center. Reall, all of politics. But I digress.

 

[Devildoc]

This is more of an overhead observation about the progressives/liberals (not all dems)- it's the lack of principles. They're willing to abandon anything resembling a principled argument for whatever suits them now. This works in their favor most times, because America rides trends.

Every single issue they champion completely lacks a simple principle at it's base. "We are the party of minorities!" ... well here is a video of two progressive folks mocking a minority because the current thing is more important than the principle you supposedly espouse.

Not that anyone ever asks, but I can take *any* issue and give you the non-secular bumper sticker principle for every single issue I talk about/care about. Abortion. Immigration. Taxation. Voting. Literally any issue. From there we can have as nuanced a conversation as you'd like, and until presented with data that confounds or outright contradicts my principled position, that's where I make my home.

There are plenty of democrats that I disagree with (Ro Khanna notably)- but they have a principled position on topics and rarely stray from it, so I will give them credit where it's due. But those folks are so few and far between it's easy to know their names. Being fair, it's also a huge problem on the right. And center. Reall, all of politics. But I digress.

I think abandoning principles is part of it, but as you allude, I think a bigger part if their hive mentality groupthink, which has gone from simply illogical to totally irrational. That's even with the right/GOP/whomever having receipts. They play the ultimate game of gaslighting, telling you that Gavin Newsome never asked for the national guard before or that Bush, Clinton, and Obama did not activate parts of the NG, despite evidence being shoved under their wide-set eyes and obligate mouth-breathing face.

People don't want debate, they don't want pesky 'facts' to get in the way, they don't want to have a conversation because, well, OMB (Orange Man Bad) and that's all there is to it.

 

[Cookie_]

You can draw a straight line from that 1986 bill to the problems California had today.

Reagan, with a sweep of a pen, granted citizenship to 3M illegal immigrants and turned Cali from a Republican state to the sanctuary state they are today. This is precisely why I care about immigration so deeply- illegals are counted on the census. The census leads to congressional and senatorial power for these states. Dumping 3M voters in Cali is how we got here today, and why the left is coordinating violent riots all over America a the thought of removing illegal immigrants.

Reagan wasn't a conservative, and the Amnesty Bill is only second to the Flores Agreement in net-negative impacts on immigration in this country. The Flores Agreement enabled the human trafficking of children on a disgusting and grand scale. Here is the OIG report on the February '23 findings.

Bottom line- 291,000 unaccounted for kids.

I see more benefits than you on amnesty, but that's fine; we can actually have the conversation around what should be done, because we both understand that SOMETHING needs to happen.

Flores is a great example of "we wrote the rules but won't follow them in practice".
Releasing the kids so the metrics look good but failing to actually ensure the process is followed and appropriately documented should be fucking criminal, but obviously nobody involved(politicians/feds) cares enough to do anything.

My absolute favorite video today. I was told that not listening to BIPOC individuals was racist and bigoted... is that not true, chat?

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Latte liberals. These are also the people who like to show up and start antagonistic, violent, and/or destructive acts. From there, mob mentality takes over and people get fucking stupid.

Remember the talking head that was for the (MN?) stuff in 2020 but got upset when it came towards their gated community? That's these dweebs.

 

[ThunderHorse]

Not sure who needs to hear this, but I repeat myself. Longstanding Mexican American families, anyone whose roots are pre-1950 ain't about the bullshit that exists in California right now. All we ask is you deport the white illegals [and the Asian ones, and the Arab ones, and the Black ones] while you're at it.

Also, liberal white people who keep pushing their nonsense...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1932590089991041520

But more importantly:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1932812894078710233