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National Protest and 'disband the cops' discussion (and now ICE)
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uhhhhhhhhhhh.... what now?
Dude, it's even worse. He went to two other locations before he got to Hortman's residence, and a cop Even saw him.
Gonna see some heads roll at local PDs.
Shot the dog too....what a POS.
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This is all insane.
Might have missed this one... No Kings protest in Salt Lake. A volunteer of the paid protest (called "peacekeeper") sees dude manipulating rifle. Shoots at dude. Hits dude once. Kills random person. In the twistiest of twisties- the shooter, who killed Ah Hoo, was not charged but the dude who fired zero shots was charged with murder.
What was that one story... there was some kid that was trying to keep the peace, and ended up killing some pedophiles after he was attacked, and he was immediately charged and his character assassinated and taken to court and called a racist and the whole thing... what was that dudes name?!
Man dies after being shot in chaotic scene at Salt Lake City’s ‘No Kings’ protest • Utah News Dispatch
What was that one story... there was some kid that was trying to keep the peace, and ended up killing some pedophiles after he was attacked, and he was immediately charged and his character assassinated and taken to court and called a racist and the whole thing... what was that dudes name?!
Man dies after being shot in chaotic scene at Salt Lake City’s ‘No Kings’ protest • Utah News Dispatch
ThunderHorse
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I saw a bunch of videos from that march with the crowd shouting "*86-47". Which I find weird because of the comments on this site from people not understanding that it meant to kill him.
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Interesting. Here's my take...did said "peacekeeper" have any official policing authority? Was he a licensed police officer or security guard? No? Then charge his ass too. Clown shoes.
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I don't know much about the situation. But criminally, he could have been in the right. If he was legally armed and acted to stop a threat... sometimes bad things happen. He's probably liable civilly but not necessarily criminally.
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You may be right, but this sounds like a different scenario to me. Maybe it's semantics.
To me, there's a difference between an average citizen being out in public, encountering a situation, and taking action vs. some clown who has taken it upon himself, in some unsanctioned role, to patrol the streets (because organizers don't like police or unwilling to pay for actual event security), which is what sounds like the case here.
Like you, I don't know the details or the laws in Utah, just my initial thoughts based on the high level story I read.
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So D's are trying to spin this dude as a right wing extremist, but Minnesota won't release the manifesto...
Utah is a Constitutional Carry state.
Utah Code Section 53-5a-102.2
So in the words of @amlove21 carry everywhere. Which reminds me, I need to get a smaller piece so I can effectuate that life.
Utah is a Constitutional Carry state.
Utah Code Section 53-5a-102.2
So in the words of @amlove21 carry everywhere. Which reminds me, I need to get a smaller piece so I can effectuate that life.
@Blizzard nope! He WASNT trained certified or authorized and had no authority at all. He was a ‘volunteer peacekeeper’ for the 5150 organization who claimed him as one of theirs in a press release after the event.
@Marauder06 - there was no crime to stop, as open carrying a rifle is legal in Salt Lake as @ThunderHorse pointed out.
The peacekeeper saw a rifle held by an anarchist far left ideologue (from his online profiles many of those labels self professed), got spooked, and then fired indiscriminately into a crowd, killing a random American citizen.
The reasoning I’m seeing for arresting the rifle dude is “he created the situation in which the felony happened”- but it’s on video. He wasn’t pointing a rifle, wasn’t threatening, and wasn’t in commission of a felony… so what are we doing here?
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@Marauder06 - there was no crime to stop, as open carrying a rifle is legal in Salt Lake as @ThunderHorse pointed out.
The peacekeeper saw a rifle held by an anarchist far left ideologue (from his online profiles many of those labels self professed), got spooked, and then fired indiscriminately into a crowd, killing a random American citizen.
The reasoning I’m seeing for arresting the rifle dude is “he created the situation in which the felony happened”- but it’s on video. He wasn’t pointing a rifle, wasn’t threatening, and wasn’t in commission of a felony… so what are we doing here?
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This is new information to me. Original reporting was that he was pointing/being aggressive with the rifle. If the bolded is the case, then yes, it was not a justifiable shoot on behalf of the "peacekeeper."
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I’m curious about this since I think his behavior will make a world of difference, and accounts of what he was doing are all over the place. Do you have a link to the video?
Absolutely. From the honorable Andy Ngo. You can clearly see in the video- Gamboa (being labeled as "the shooter" who fired zero shots) wasn't pointing at anyone, peacekeeper opens fire *and then the man runs*. This directly refutes the statements from the liberal organizers of the event and for whom the "peacekeeper" was volunteering, 50501 (pronounced "5051", which is lame). It's being alleged that the statements from witnesses are following the same tactic Antifa has used in the past, which is part of their well-planned/organized social media and misinformation playbook.
Antifa and black bloc aligned folks have a long history of carrying long guns at these protests, dating back to 2020.
ETA- Gamboa's backpack containing his rifle was observed by a good samaritan, that's how he was caught. That's on video too- here is the story. ‘This is a rifle!’: Alert bystander spotted the man who had a gun at the Salt Lake City ‘No Kings’ march
They were mostly peaceful explosive devices, so he's fine here.
Anyone spot the typo in the story?
Man arrested near 'No Kings' protest allegedly had stash of pipe bombs at home
Anyone spot the typo in the story?
Man arrested near 'No Kings' protest allegedly had stash of pipe bombs at home
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