National Protest and 'disband the cops' discussion (and now ICE)

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My initial response to any video I see these days is "where is the rest of the video"

The folks posting video clips of every single cop they encounter in hopes that they can score a viral video makes me not believe any of them.

The idea that SOO many cops tend to reinforce the perception that cops are bullies is hard to resist as well.

I find it easier to just believe that BOTH sides are quite full of shit.

When you gather up kids I went to school with that went on to become cops, neighbors, associates, friends that have KIDS who have become LEA, YEARS of doing bilateral training exchanges with local, state and federal LE while I was in the military, and the simple attitude I've gotten over the years when pulled over for minor traffic violations - I've came to the observable opinion that MOST of the ones I've dealt with are bullies hiding behind their badge.
...and that's ok. It's not illegal to be a bully.

Show me you papers is a HORRID paradigm if you want to pretend you live in a "free" society. The problem is - since BULLIES are the ones most likely to gravitate into that career field, that's who we are stuck with when it comes to enforcing the law.
Power corrupts.
Cops are just people - with a lot of power - and when left unchecked, some of them will become drunk with that power.
Some become corrupted super bullies. C'est la vie.

Admittedly, "I am the law, show me your papers" is every bit as dickish as that little grey haired, mask wearing, vaccine pushing, data tampering, beagle killing, mad scientist covid czar telling us that "he is the science" but thats life in the big city.
I'm constantly telling myself to get over it. Law Enforcement is a hard thankless job where it certainly looks easy to lose yourself.
...but somebody has to do it.

Copping is a shitty job. When you do EVERYTHING right, who fucking cares. Doing it right is your job. Quit bitching.
The instant you panic and shoot an unarmed citizen to death, everyone thinks you are an asshole.

So, what one might ask...
So, my TTP would be to show the bully my fucking ID card, smile, say please and thank you, take down his badge number and get on with my life.
When I get home, file a complaint and play the game on my own terms.
...but then again, I have that white privilege thing to contend with

Otherwise, fuck around with an empowered bully and see what happens next.

Just my two cents.

 

[amlove21]

My initial response to any video I see these days is "where is the rest of the video"
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Sorry, bro, asking for context makes you racist. Wait- bigoted? Or homophobic... that's not it.

I can't keep up anymore. Anyway, you're a bad person and I get to celebrate when you die now. Thems the rules.

 

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Context and Nuance are outdated social constructs.

 

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[The Quartermaster]

I was going to do legs and cardio today, but I think I'll go to cardio, chest, and arms again instead of leg day.

 

[Blizzard]

That video was from a couple weeks ago. You gotta be tough if you're gonna be dumb.

The dude throwing haymakers was actually arrested and charged with 5th degree because Minnesota is just filled with awesomeness.

 

[The Quartermaster]

Huh?

The vast amounts of white, liberal, unhinged, women, at these places.

 

[Ooh-Rah]

The vast amounts of white, liberal, unhinged, women, at these places.

Understood.

It’s the same population of Minneapolis that votes in the same people election-after-election. Then those same voters complain that the people they are defending, car-jack their Kia’s.

Minneapolis is not a hot bed of illegal immigration, they’re here because our dopy governor pissed off Trump and now he’s trying to punish him. (Yes Trump is that petty).

I’m pro-ICE and appreciate their mission, but similar to most things Trump (whom I voted for) they go-about it in a way that is so over the-top that it makes them difficult to support.

 

[Blizzard]

Minneapolis is not a hot bed of illegal immigration, they’re here because our dopy governor pissed off Trump and now he’s trying to punish him. (Yes
Trump is that petty).

I'm not at convinced of the bolded part, but agree ICE is here because Walz turned the spotlight on himself.

We're getting a glimpse into the vast depth of fraud that's occurring in the state and I truly believe fraudulent/illegal immigration plays a large role in this problem. We may not be California, but per capital there's clearly something happening here.

Re: the fraud, Michelle Bachmann may be just this side of batshit crazy, but her comments below are spot on:

“Here's the dirty secret that people don't understand about Minnesota. Progressive lawmakers have been inflating Minnesota's budget so they can create grants to fund nonprofits. That ultimately are for their friends, for their supporters, for their constituent groups.

So our state budget is a pass-through entity. It's a financial funnel that goes from federal money, state money, to local money, but it goes through nonprofits."

I also think leftists and those funding agitators are being quite selective with their outrage. Not sure immigration enforcement is quite as aggressive as it's being portrayed, if you believe some of the numbers posted from the Obama administration as an example.

 

[ThunderHorse]

Understood.

It’s the same population of Minneapolis that votes in the same people election-after-election. Then those same voters complain that the people they are defending, car-jack their Kia’s.

Minneapolis is not a hot bed of illegal immigration, they’re here because our dopy governor pissed off Trump and now he’s trying to punish him. (Yes Trump is that petty).

I’m pro-ICE and appreciate their mission, but similar to most things Trump (whom I voted for) they go-about it in a way that is so over the-top that it makes them difficult to support.

Seems that Minneapolis is a hot bed of immigrants with conditional status doing illegal shit though. All of these Somalis were brought in by the Obama administration as Asylees.

So, their status can be revoked.

 

[Ranger Psych]

I mean, how do Illegal Immigrants get invited to be part of Juries?

It's supposed to be based off of the voter registrations, because that's based off citizens...

Do have a question of sorts though, we all know hearing damage is real and an injury... so if someone's blaring a megaphone in your face... at what point does it actually become assault and you can turn it into a suppository for them?

 

[Blizzard]

Do have a question of sorts though, we all know hearing damage is real and an injury... so if someone's blaring a megaphone in your face... at what point does it actually become assault and you can turn it into a suppository for them?

I'm a normal society or Minneapolis/St Paul? There's a difference.

 

[Kraut783]

Immigration enforcement is *slightly* more open. 8 U.S.C. § 1357 is the spot to reference, and I'm not even freddie the feddie.

Snippet for ease of information sharing:

§1357. Powers of immigration officers and employees​

(a) Powers without warrant​

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Any officer or employee of the Service authorized under regulations prescribed by the Attorney General shall have power without warrant-​

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(1) to interrogate any alien or person believed to be an alien as to his right to be or to remain in the United States;​

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(2) to arrest any alien who in his presence or view is entering or attempting to enter the United States in violation of any law or regulation made in pursuance of law regulating the admission, exclusion, expulsion, or removal of aliens, or to arrest any alien in the United States, if he has reason to believe that the alien so arrested is in the United States in violation of any such law or regulation and is likely to escape before a warrant can be obtained for his arrest, but the alien arrested shall be taken without unnecessary delay for examination before an officer of the Service having authority to examine aliens as to their right to enter or remain in the United States;​

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(3) within a reasonable distance from any external boundary of the United States, to board and search for aliens any vessel within the territorial waters of the United States and any railway car, aircraft, conveyance, or vehicle, and within a distance of twenty-five miles from any such external boundary to have access to private lands, but not dwellings, for the purpose of patrolling the border to prevent the illegal entry of aliens into the United States;​

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(4) to make arrests for felonies which have been committed and which are cognizable under any law of the United States regulating the admission, exclusion, expulsion, or removal of aliens, if he has reason to believe that the person so arrested is guilty of such felony and if there is likelihood of the person escaping before a warrant can be obtained for his arrest, but the person arrested shall be taken without unnecessary delay before the nearest available officer empowered to commit persons charged with offenses against the laws of the United States; and​

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(5) to make arrests-​

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(A) for any offense against the United States, if the offense is committed in the officer's or employee's presence, or​

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(B) for any felony cognizable under the laws of the United States, if the officer or employee has reasonable grounds to believe that the person to be arrested has committed or is committing such a felony, if the officer or employee is performing duties relating to the enforcement of the immigration laws at the time of the arrest and if there is a likelihood of the person escaping before a warrant can be obtained for his arrest.​

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(key regarding drive baby drive, since TECHNICALLY they had committed multiple infractions for road blockages, misdemeanors for interfering with law enforcement, and once instructed to leave the car by a FLEO and instead dropping it into drive to try to flee were in comission of a felony, nevermind the whole there's a FLEO in front of the vehicle in drive with throttle depressed the driver had made eye contact with before throwing it in drive)​

Now, HAVING SAID THAT... does it mean that you can Ze pApErZ everyone you run up on? I'd vote no, not in my country, but I've also literally had Ze PaPeRz done to me in Thailand and Germany because I was speaking english with my friends at a bus stop. I presented DOD ID (which was my in country ID, no passport required for me at that point) and I was on my way... but yeah, I literally got PAPERS from a Polizei duo.

I do understand the use of it and the potentially articulatible in court component as a combination escalation AND deescalation tactic when you're having some random fuckstick run up on you.




I don't know if they're being compensated, but there's people who literally don't have anything better to do than interject themselves into situations they're absolutely not involved in. I don't understand how they can afford to do it other than they're living off of various disabilities etc that doesn't require them to be employed day to day.

This is misleading, Immigration officers have huge authorities...at the border, a port of entry (Airport/waterway), not at what's going on now.

Reference: DOJ Criminal Prosecutors manual.

1917. Arrest, Search, And Seizure By Immigration Officers​

The general rules concerning arrest, search and seizure applicable to other federal officers are, of course, applicable to immigration officers. The Immigration and Naturalization Act, 8 U.S.C. §§ 1101 et seq., authorizes immigration officers to make arrests either for the purpose of holding an alien for civil administrative proceedings or for a crime, or both. Title 8 U.S.C. § 1225 provides that all aliens arriving at United States ports must be examined by immigration officers who are authorized, without a warrant, to board and search any conveyances believed to carry aliens, and to detain for further inquiry anyone "who may not appear . . . at the port of arrival to be clearly and beyond a doubt entitled to land." Title 8 U.S.C. § 1252(a) authorizes the arrest upon warrant of the Attorney General of any alien, pending a determination of his/her deportability. Title 8 U.S.C. § 1252(c) authorizes arrest of an alien at any time within six months after a final order of deportation has been entered. Title 8 U.S.C. § 1324(b) authorizes immigration officers to seize, without a warrant, conveyances used to transport illegal aliens. Title 8 U.S.C. § 1357 sets out their authority to interrogate, arrest, search, and seize aliens without a warrant.

Subsection 1357(a)(1) of Title 8, authorizing immigration officers "to interrogate any alien or person believed to be an alien as to his right to be or to remain in the United States," has a deceiving simplicity. It is deceiving because in practice the courts have strained to give the section a reasonable and meaningful interpretation in light of the Fourth Amendment. The appellate courts have evinced a reluctance to believe that such interrogations occur without a detention, however brief. Since there is usually some kind of stop or detention, the question arises as to whether immigration officers may stop persons reasonably believed to be aliens when there is no reason to believe they are illegally in the country. The Supreme Court has declined to give that question a general answer. See United States v. Brignoni-Ponce, 422 U.S. 873, 884 n. 9 (1975). However, it has answered the question with respect to "factory surveys," that is, worksite inspections to discover illegal aliens. See Immigration and Naturalization Service v. Delgado, 466 U.S. 210 (1984).